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new speaker for workingmans 10

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by B String, Jan 5, 2003.


  1. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    OOPS!! I fried the voice coil of my
    Workingmans 10. I'd like to replace it
    with a better speaker. What should I
    get? The amp only has 80 watts and
    has a switchable horn. I want TONE!!
     
  2. Mike

    Mike

    Sep 7, 2000
    Cali
    Get a new spkr from SWR.
     
  3. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    The problem with getting a new
    swr speaker is that they are more
    expensive than most 10's out there,
    and the specs and sound are just ok.
    It seems like I can get a better
    replacement speaker for less money.
     
  4. I would go with an Eminence 10" driver.
     
  5. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Yes.. On one web site I saw an
    Eminence Gamma 10. Is that the
    one you are thinking of? Remember,
    the amp only puts out 80 watts into
    8 ohms.
     
  6. Try getting in touch with Dave at Avatar. He uses Eminence speakers, and last I knew, he sells raw speakers.

    http:www.avatarspeakers.com
     
  7. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    That box was tuned for a certain driver. The best performance you will get will come from the driver it was designed for.
     
  8. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I would normally agree with you, but
    this is only a small ported box with a
    single 10. I just thought quality of
    speaker would do more to help this amp.
    I could be wrong. The workingmans 10, is
    a great amp, but not the worlds best sounding
    amp. Plus I hate paying premium price
    for an ok speaker. I don't think its the
    same one they use in the professional
    series.
     
  9. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    Best price for the best speaker for that application:

    Get an Eminence Delta 10" from www. partsexpress.com, probably around $65 or so.

    No affiliation, just a happy customer myself.
     
  10. Mike

    Mike

    Sep 7, 2000
    Cali
    How much is SWR's 10, btw?
     
  11. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    Before you replace anything, shouldn't you try and work out why you blew the speaker in the first place. Otherwise you'll just blow the new speaker as well.

    My guess is that feeding a mere 80 watts into speaker designed to handle more has sent clipped signal to the speaker and fried it. Small amps can kill big speakers just as easy as big amps can kill small speakers.

    Best bet is to get a speaker rated at about 80 watts and don't run the amp so hard.
     
  12. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Pete.. Pete.. Pete..What can I say?
    Its new years eve, the leader makes
    a gross misjudgement as to amount of
    people and musical styles to be played.
    Ahh the night, the music, the romance....
    I FRIED THE DAMN VOICE COIL OK???
    I got throught the gig and the amp did
    more than I expected. Perhaps it was
    the B string on my Tyler....
     
  13. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Ok.. so do I upgrade the speaker for
    less money than a recone, or do I
    get the stock recone? Will it help or
    hurt? I'm really on the fence with this.
     
  14. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    The gamma series 10 is about $56.
    The swr 10 recone starts at $75. The specs on the Eminence are
    better. More low end (60hz, swr-70hz)
    and just slightly more efficient.
    I haven't used it but the gamma seems
    like a better speaker.
     
  15. If it were me, I think I'd go with the Delta due to the fact that Avatar is using them in their cabs. It also has higher power handling. It may not however be as efficient as the gamma, I haven't checked the charts. I don't think you'll get burned going with an Eminence, but, I'm sure it's gonna sound different than the SWR driver. I hope it is for the better... :D Here's another option: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23794&item=934429228
     
  16. Eric Moesle

    Eric Moesle Supporting Member

    Sep 21, 2001
    Columbus OH
    The Eminence Delta series are nearly identical to the speakers in Aguilar's cabs, and pretty similar to Eden's, spec-wise. I wouldn't go down to the Gamma.

    I purchased Delta's for around $65 from partsexpress, and Kappa Pro's at $82, just last summer. Plus, they'll ship right to your door . . .
     
  17. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Am I missing something?
    Wouldn't it be total overkill to
    put a 350 watt speaker with an
    amp that puts out 80 watts?
    Is the Delta a much better sounding
    speaker than the Gamma?
    Is the Delta efficient enough?
    I am looking for a better sound then
    I have now....
    And what about Larryj and Brad
    on the gk150mb thread? Where's
    the love? oh by the way....
    THANKS FOR ALL THIS INFO YOU GUYS!!!
     
  18. Petebass

    Petebass

    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    No you're not missing anything. A 350w speaker with an 80w amp in definitely overkill. If you were planning to update to a stronger amp in the near future it would be a fair enough choice. But from what I can tell you're planning to keep the 80w amp.

    Can I ask something, when your say you want "more tone", that's a pretty broad term and it means something different to everyone. What specific part of your sound you're looking to improve? More lows? Mire Mids, More highs? More volume? If you can narrow it down we can offer solutions.

    PS. I wasn't having a go at you with my last post Bstring. I was trying to point out that your speaker was probably a victim of "clipping". Sorry for the misunderstanding.
     
  19. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Pete.. You're a smart boy!
    Sorry, I was a little ambiguous there.
    This is just an SWR workingmans 10
    combo amp, not $2,000. worth of gear.
    I should lower my expectations but my
    bigger gear sounds great at low volume,
    so I thought this could too. (Its only an 80
    watt combo amp)This amp is ok (ok) for electric but for upright bass it sucks
    big. When I use my Ravenlabs pre and bypass
    the preamp section with the horn on, the
    tone is thin and harsh. With the horn off,
    the sound is muddy with no highs. I thought
    a better speaker would give me a richer sound
    with the horn off. The horn crossover is 5k.
    This little guy got me through New Years, but
    you're right. I fried the voice coil from too little
    power, not too much.