New to Bass...

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Androxine Vortex, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. Androxine Vortex

    Androxine Vortex Guest

    Dec 11, 2014
    Hello, I've played guitar for over six years now but want to move onto bass guitar. I went to my local guitar center and was playing on a squier jaguar ($199.99) and it seemed pretty nice.

    I basically want to just cover songs but that would require me going from standard E to standard C (mainly stuff like thrash and death metal) I've done a lot of looking around on the web but wanted to ask myself. By going back and forth between tuning, would it damage by bass at all? I've heard that going down to B makes the strings too wobbly and messes up the tension and I heard a solution to that would be getting a five string but I don't know if I want a 5 string. They seem harder to play and slap imo because the majority of songs I want to cover wont go below C so that extra bottom string might just be in the way.

    So would maybe one day going to C and then days later going to E again for months damage my bass at all?


    I'm sorry if this is in the wrong section - I'm new here! :)
     
  2. devinp17

    devinp17

    Jun 26, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    It won't exactly damage your bass, but it's definitely not good for it. I would get one bass for E tuning, and another bass for C tuning (both with different string gauges, of course). If you're on a budget, whichever tuning you use the least should probably be the cheaper bass... So if you use C standard tuning less than you use E standard tuning, I would suggest that your C tuned bass would be the cheaper one (again, if you're on a budget). For the E tuned bass, get a set of standard gauge strings (obviously), and for the C tuned bass, file the nut a little, get a set of (I would go for light gauge) BEAD strings, and tune it up a step to C.

    Btw, welcome to TB!

    Hope I helped and good luck!
     
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  3. inate_hex

    inate_hex

    Apr 4, 2010
    Manchester, England
    I occasionally wet the bed.
    +1000
     
  4. Androxine Vortex

    Androxine Vortex Guest

    Dec 11, 2014
    Man that really does suck. I tune my guitar from E even down to B and back,but it still works fine.
     
  5. inate_hex

    inate_hex

    Apr 4, 2010
    Manchester, England
    I occasionally wet the bed.
    Or you could just get a 5 string bass
     
  6. Androxine Vortex

    Androxine Vortex Guest

    Dec 11, 2014
    Well I'm sure with practice it would be easier,but i find it very difficult to slap any other string but the middle. I'm fine with a pick though since it's like guitar. And even if I get a 5 string, some bands play in half-step tuning. Would even tuning that little be bad?

    I'm sorry if these questions are annoying I just can't really afford to buy two instruments to juggle between tunings.
     
  7. BazzTard

    BazzTard Inactive

    apart from floppy strings when downtuned, this will be fine.

    Sounds to me like you'll tune to C, record a few songs, then return to E for a few months?

    If you were doing it every week then you might have problems, but the way you describe it I doubt it will cause problems.
     
  8. devinp17

    devinp17

    Jun 26, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    Do you use the G string? Do you need it? Maybe you can just get 1 4string bass, but tune it BEAD...

    Just a thought.
     
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  9. Androxine Vortex

    Androxine Vortex Guest

    Dec 11, 2014
    This really has thrown me off by surprise. I'm really excited to play and learn bass but the concept of having to only play in one tuning is very disappointing. I hear it messes up intonation and some people say tune it back to standard once your done and others say the opposite because the tuning it back will cause damage. Is there any way to somehow fix this besides taking it to a tech or something?

    And I don't know about the G string or not since I'm new and don't own a bass yet.
     
  10. devinp17

    devinp17

    Jun 26, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    Ah, I see. But you probably will be using it if you intend on doing some slapping.
     
  11. Androxine Vortex

    Androxine Vortex Guest

    Dec 11, 2014
    So i don't even know if getting a five string would be worth it because even if i can get it down to C if i have to play in half steps it won't work. But if i did get a five string then i would be able to play bands that play in C D and E but what about if they use a drop tuning, not sure how that would work... Arrrrgh this is frustrating! Im going to try to find more info tomorrow on it.
     
  12. devinp17

    devinp17

    Jun 26, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    Well, think about it... but there's also this:

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    It's a pitch-shifter (if you didn't know that already). But I don't know how low it will go... or how high it will go... but I wan't one cuz I switch between E and Eb alot. I've heard it's pretty good... Check it out!
     
  13. srayb

    srayb

    Oct 27, 2010
    Canada
    Get a 5-string and a big capo.
     
  14. JACink

    JACink

    Mar 9, 2011
    Spain
    What about a drop shot tuner, maybe that would help?

    edit: sorry, I was referring to the hipshot d.
     
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  15. Gilmourisgod

    Gilmourisgod

    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    I would suggest a used Ibanez Soundgear SR505, it has about the thinnest neck available on a production 5 string, and would be an easier transition to bass for a guitarist. Having two separate basses for occasional tuning changes sounds like a pain to me. I think the concern about damaging the bass with retuning is exaggerated. I used to tune down to drop D on my G&L all the time with no bad effects. The Hipshot D tuner works quite well also. If you don't want a 5 string, just get a good solid bass, retune as needed, and don't worry about it. The Squire basses are an excellent value, and in the unlikely event you damage it you are only into it for $2-300.
     
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  16. inate_hex

    inate_hex

    Apr 4, 2010
    Manchester, England
    I occasionally wet the bed.
    Tuning a five string up half a step wont do any damage. If you are worried then buy a lighter guage 5 string set. Dont worry about the slap..... It sucks anyway.
     
  17. Maxdusty

    Maxdusty

    Mar 9, 2012
    Michigan USA
    I would say buy a used Squier Jag for under $100 and buy a used five string for $100. (You can re-sell the five string without losing any cash if it doesn't work out for you)
    You can detune an existing bass of course, but it's not quite the same as owning a dedicated 5 string bass. I know, I've tried to live with it myself. Even have a bass with a built in D-tuner.
    I slap a lot and only recently found a fiver that I can live with - I've tried quite a few but a Peavey Grind 5 works well for me.
     
  18. Slapstyle

    Slapstyle

    Dec 3, 2009
    Maine
    I'd question dropping a Jag which if I'm not mistaken is already a short scale, down to a low C. Just speculating, but I'd guess it would get floppy in a hurry. I'd want a longer scale bass for that. Of course, it's probably beyond the budget but I like Warwicks for drop tuning since they have the adjustable bridge AND nut. You can get strings specifically for drop tuning as well, but that's an added expense. I definitely would have 2 basses for the situation you describe. Retuning a bass with that extreme of a drop is going to have an effect on how it plays, let alone potentially causing issues down the road. It's not quite as easy as dropping a guitars E string down to D for a song or 2 then tuning it back up.

    My 2 cents, FWIW, which ain't much.
     
  19. Slapstyle

    Slapstyle

    Dec 3, 2009
    Maine
    Oh and a 5er isnt a bad idea, but if I'm playing hard ass music with guitars who are tuned to C, I prefer to have a 4 stringer tuned to C as well so I can follow visually if I need to. With a 5 string tuned to B, that complicates the process. Not a big deal if the guys you play with know what they're playing, but I've played with a lot of hardcore and metal guys and said, "ok, what's the progression?" and they look at me like I have 3 heads. Then they play the riff really loud and go, "it's like that." Thanks guy. Real helpful.
     
  20. D_Bag

    D_Bag

    Feb 8, 2013
    Lawrence, KS
    I don't know what Jaguar you played, but I would stay away from the short scale version. I don't have a lot of experience with SS basses, but I can't imagine they take detuning well.