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New Wave and Avant Garde

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by page, Sep 24, 2005.

  1. Ok I want two things.

    1. New Wave, and im not talking about 80s synth rock, im talking about real "New Wave" , the good stuff. I dig bands like Television, Oingo Boingo, Rain Dogs era Tom Waits, Talking Heads, Peter Gabriel, 80s Crimso, Belew, Eno, Bowie , Echo and the Bunneymen, and the Psychedelic Furs. Are there any bands like these that I should check out? I think the main thing I enjoy about these bands is the quirk.
    Ive heard good things about Richard Hell but have never heard any thing by him.

    2. Avant Garde- I love weird music, be it jazz , rock, or whatever , just suggest some good avant garde, I dont care what style. This could be a broad genre , but just to give some ideas, some of the Avant Gardes I dig are : Miasma, Guapo, John Zorn, STGM, Idiot Flesh, Cuong Vu, Benevento Russo, Chevrueil, Pharoh Sanders, MIles, Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, Jacob Fred Jazz, and Marc Ribot.

    Thanks folks. Please give a description of the artist if you suggest them, thanks.
  2. geshel


    Oct 2, 2001
    In the first category:

    Toyah - Sheep Farming in Barnett
    Toyah - The Blue Meaning
    New Order - Power, Corruption, and Lies
    Dead Can Dance - self titled first album
    Rush - Signals
    Japan - Obscure Alternatives
    Japan - Quiet Life
    Arcadia - So Red the Rose
    The Cure - Head on the Door
    Siouxsie and the Banshees - Juju
    Pale Saints - Comforts of Madness
    Pale Saints - In Ribbons

    You might also like the latest Nine Inch Nails album.
  3. geshel


    Oct 2, 2001
    Oh yeah: generally, A Gang of Four, and Shriekback.
  4. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    Have you given early Devo a shot? Are we Not Men is really cool... and produced by Brian Eno.
  5. Against Will

    Against Will Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Big Sound Central
    The Fall, I Am Spoonbender, Einsturzende Neubauten, the Homosexuals and Swell Maps. I would recommend getting 'Blank Generation' by Richard Hell, it's a classic. His second album is good, but not as.

    Have you checked out Cecil Taylor? There's also Don Cherry, Alice Coltrane and Eric Dolphy. The Boredoms, Birchville Cat Motel, Alec K. Redfearn & the Eyesores, Barnacled, Animal Collective (not quite avant garde, but sufficiently weird). The Lounge Lizards, Jagga Jazzist, Prurient, Kites, Merzbow, Masonna etc.
  6. bassksun

    bassksun Supporting Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Las Vegas,NV
    I don't know how to categorize these Albums but:

    Zappa-Studio Tan, Sleep Dirt
    Roxy Music-For your Pleasure, Stranded, Country Life
    The Art Ensemble of Chicago
    Leroy Jenkins-Space Minds
    Kate Bush-(Jeez anything by her is out there! First 4 albums are best.)
    Laurie Anderson-Mr. Heartbreak
    The New York Dolls
    Lou Reed-Legendary Hearts, Blue Mask (Fernando Quine on Bass!)
    The Tubes-Young and Rich
    Ornette Coleman-(anything with Jamaladeen Tacuma)
    Roland Shannon Jackson and the Decoding Society-
    Nasty (1981)
    Some extremely "difficult" folks- Meredith Monk, Eric Dolphy
    Albert Ayler, Julius Hemphill, Abdul Wadud...
    I could go on and on... :smug:
  7. 6-3-2


    Sep 20, 2003
    Probably obvious, but Talking Heads.
  8. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    Check out 20th century composers of the serial and minimalist movements. A lot of whacky **** happened around then.
  9. Adam Barkley

    Adam Barkley Mayday!

    Aug 26, 2003
    Jackson, MS
    Henry Cow, Painkiller, Ruins, The Olivia Tremor Control, Dalek, John Zorn.
  10. geshel


    Oct 2, 2001
    In the second category:

    Torn / Karn / Bozzio - Polytown
    Rieflin / Fripp / Gunn - The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior
    The ProjeKcts Box set - King Crimson R&D "projeKcts" 1, 2, 3, and 4
  11. second catagory:

    I reccomend Sonic Youth's SYR series. They're about 5-8 bucks a piece, except for the 4th one, which is a collection of avant-garde compositions recorded by the band and friends, most of the compositions written for the band themselves.

    The SYR series are collections of improvasations/songs that are really drawn old and use unique tones done by the band with friends. Also, check out Jim O Rouke. He's pretty much the new poster child of avart garde stuff.
  12. geshel


    Oct 2, 2001
    "really drawn old"? did you mean "really darn old"? I'm just curious - I like SY.
  13. SlavaF


    Jul 31, 2002
    Edmonton AB
    wouldn't The Mars Volta be avant garde? they're jazzy, rocky, and just plain psychedelic...

  14. I own both albums and They are only alright in my opinion. Nothing too great. They do have touches of jazz and psychedelia, but I Omar's senseless rambling guitar gibberish turns me off sometimes.
  15. The Owl

    The Owl

    Aug 14, 2005
    Atlanta GA
    New Wave: Joy Division's 2 studio albums, "Unknown Pleasures" and "Closer" are brilliant and very innovative in terms of the production and songwriting in that context. These guys were heavily influenced by Krautrock bands like Neu, Can and Faust. plus, their bassist, Peter Hook played in a VERY distinctive lead-bass style all his own. TONS of bands copied them in the 80's.

    Just one word of caution, don't listen to them if you're depressed or contemplating suicide.

    GANG OF FOUR: Stomping politically-charged funk with dissonant shards of metal guitar and passionate vocals. The first two albums are classics ("Entertainment" and "Solid Gold"), after that, they got too slick and mainstream.

    DEAD KENNEDYS - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables: CLASSIC punk/rock & roll album, complete with frantic and yet VERY tight drumming, melodic and active bass, guitar that brings together rockabilly, surf and hard-rock, and of course, one Jello Biafra's bitingly hilarious rants and politically charged psychodrama. It'll make you think and laugh at the same time, best cuts include "Let's Lynch The Landlord", "Drug Me", "Your Emotions", Police Truck", "California Uber Alles", "Stealing Peoples Mail", "Ill In The Head" and a cover of "Viva Las Vegas" that is SIDESPLITTING HILARIOUS! I often think of 'ol Jello as the Frank Zappa of punk.

    Avant Garde:

    Magma - Think Carl Orff meets Sun Ra and very early pre-Jaco Weather Report. The band also created its own language to sing it's continuing sci-fi story in. Characterized by mercilessly intense drumming, heavy roaring fuzz-bass, alien sounding vcocal choruses, spacy keyboards and layering passages.

    Cartoon: Long defunct ensemble from AZ that was heavily influenced by music from Sat. Morning cartoons, very brilliant musicians

    Thinking Plague: Mercilessly complex layered music with the plaintive vocalizing of one Deborah Perry over the top of it. Makes certain nods to Henry Cow

    Henry Cow/Slapp Happy: Hard to describe outfit that originated a genre RIO (Rock In Opposition), characterized by very leftist politics, over-the-top vocals from Dagmar Krause and an instrumental bass that encompassd rock, avant-garde jazz and 20th Century classical music. Definitely an acqured taste.

    Univers Zero: "Chamber Rock" might be the best description here, lots of modern classical sensibilities with tense rock underpinnings.

    Can: German outfit that started in the late 60's, VERY wild, psychedlic and unpredictable, incorporating elements of Stockhausen, James Brown, psychedelia, collage music, found sounds, bizarre humor and other madness.

    Faust: Similar to Can in the respect of combining far-flung sources and sensibilities yet sounding NOTHING like them, running the gamut from deleriously psychedelic to terrifyingly industrial.

    Blast: Unviers Zero with a sense of humor

    Forever Einstein: Anything's fair game with these guys, one minute it's demented surf music, next careening wildly into 70's cop show land then into God knows what. Very fun to listen to!

    Dysrhythmia: Very creative guitar trio from Philly PA

    Dr Nerve: Under the baton of guitarist Nick Didkovsky (sp?), this fluid ensemble mounts full-blown sonic assaults with a small horn section, Nick's psychotic guitar, mallet percussion, a merciless rhythm section and keys. Kind of like John Zorn, Stravinsky and the brutality of metal. Not for the faint of heart.

    RUINS: A bass/drums duo from Japan, sort of like Magma meets The Minutemen.

    MATERIAL: Bill Laswell's ongoing collaborative and ever evolving pet rpoject. My favorites are the early albums l9ike "Memory Serves" and "Temporary Music" which are like industrial funk with lots of experimental jazz and found sunds galore.
  16. Eywin


    Sep 5, 2005
    Anja Garbarek - Experimental Electronics
    Frantic Bleep - Experimental/Avantgarde Metal
    Diamanda galas -Crazy Avantgarde Singer
    Ulver - Symphonic/Electronic Music
    Radiohead - Kid A
    Captain Beefheart - Freaky Rock music
    The Cure - Pornography

  17. I ment really drawn out. The 3rd installment is a quartet improvising for an entire hour.

    In retrospect, that sentence could have been written better...
  18. Muzique Fann

    Muzique Fann Howzit brah

    Dec 8, 2003
    Kauai, HI
    Medeski, Martin & Wood can get pretty 'out there'. I'd put them in avant garde somewhere (check out The Dropper if you haven't yet). Jacob Fred has to be one of the most original bands I've ever heard - check out Symbiosis Osmosis for some wild improv w/ a 'sax section' including Skerik and Brad Houser. Hell, anything with Skerik could be called avant garde - I'd throw the Dead Kenny G's in there too. On a super AG note, you guys have to check out the Electric Apricot if they ever play again! It's a Claypool thing all the way ...they all have fake names...he plays drums and goes by Lapland Miclovik aka "Lapdog" haha...I have one 'recording' if you could call it that - I think they made it up for some recent festivals - classic.
  19. Philbiker

    Philbiker Pat's the best!

    Dec 28, 2000
    Northern Virginia, USA
    Only one mention of New Wave Pioneers "DEVO"? As far as I'm concerned DEVO is required listening when the words "New Wave" are invoked.

    Are we not men? We are DEVO!
  20. Avant Garde: Definately Boards of Canada. Check out Music Has The Right to Children, or Geogaddi. And The new one The Campfire Headphase...all very beautiful psychadelic songs.