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Newsteds tone - AJFA. Would you call it OD or distortion?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by jcburn, May 15, 2011.


  1. This is one of the master tracks obviously. What would you guys call it? It's not a tube amp - from memory back in the day he was using Gallien Kruger amps and cabs.
    Im not sure whether to class it OD or distortion. I like the sound, also bearing in mind some of the sound is very heavy pick attack and low action.
     
  2. Kromwarp

    Kromwarp

    Sep 16, 2008
    Greater Grand Rapids, Michigan
    Master Luthier: Ironclad Bass Guitars
    As far as I know, it was Ampegs he was using on Justice, as far as tone goes, its more on the side of overdrive IMO, its more controlled than distortion tends to be
     
  3. rob_thebassman

    rob_thebassman

    Jul 26, 2010
    Normanton, UK
    playing bass since 2005
    i know he used a sansamp bass driver, or it could jus be the ampeg
     
  4. vegas532

    vegas532

    Nov 10, 2006
    Pensacola, FL.
    I'm pretty sure he recorded AJFA with a Gallien amp, so there could be some Sansamp action going on there.
     
  5. prd004

    prd004

    Dec 3, 2010
    You can't even hear the bass on AJFA, how can you disect the tone? If you're into the Newstead tone "Garage Days Revisited" is the disc! SOunds like an Ampeg to me, but I could be wrong
     
  6. bigchiefbc

    bigchiefbc Supporting Member

    Oct 9, 2006
    Rhode Island, USA
  7. Cool guys - sorta what I thought, although I know he uses a Bass Muff these days too and could quite decide what was creating that tone. To me it sounds a little more harsh than a Sansamp, but not as fuzzy as Big Muff.
     
  8. bigchiefbc

    bigchiefbc Supporting Member

    Oct 9, 2006
    Rhode Island, USA
    If you turn up the treble and drive a bit and the presence a lot, you'd be surprised how harsh a sansamp can actually get.
     
  9. I have a feeling he recorded this with Cliff's Aria SB, so maybe even Cliffs MESA tube head? It is definitely a different sound than the master tracks for AJFA. I like both actually.
     
  10. bigchiefbc

    bigchiefbc Supporting Member

    Oct 9, 2006
    Rhode Island, USA
    You are correct that the bass is almost inaudible on the final album mix. However, the master tracks for a few of the songs are on Rock Band / Guitar Hero releases. They can be extracted from the game and recorded as audio files. I posted a link to one of them.
     
  11. moles

    moles

    Jan 24, 2007
    Winnipeg, MB
    This is all very interesting. Back when that album came out he was telling interviewers he just went "straight into the board", IIRC.
     
  12. alec

    alec

    Feb 13, 2000
    Perth, Australia
    I don't know whether it's OD or distortion, but the mix sounds awesome with the bass pumped up. Its such a travesty the way it sounds on Justice.

    Maybe there'll be a 25th Anniversary Remaster... not :(
     
  13. Argali

    Argali Supporting Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    Funny story: Back in the day my brother and I both had the "official" tablature books for AJFA (he played bass and I played guitar). I remember the bass tabs actually had you palm muting almost every single note played. It was hysterical.
     
  14. rockstarbassist

    rockstarbassist Banned

    Apr 30, 2002
    The Woodlands, TX
    Endorsing Artist: HCAF
    A lot of it may just be his Alembics straight into the board with an overdriven or clipping signal going on.

    FWIW, this article re: Jason and the bass levels on AJFA just came out and is an interesting read. Definitely worth the $.99 to save to PDF... :oops:
    Lame, and makes Jaymmezzz and Larrzzzz even more clownshoes than they already are.


    Metallica 'One' | Classic Tracks
     
  15. chris lykins

    chris lykins Supporting Member

    Dec 4, 2004
    phoenix az
    That tone in isolation sounded kinda cool but even in the justice for jason remixes he just vanishes into the guitar mix other than his initial attack. He just occupies the same frequency spectrum. I much prefer Martin's tone in an Opeth mix where you can actually hear everything he plays because he occupies the bass frequencies of their mix.
     
  16. rockstarbassist

    rockstarbassist Banned

    Apr 30, 2002
    The Woodlands, TX
    Endorsing Artist: HCAF
    Yeah.

    Eff Jason for purposefully doing that to himself. :facepalm: :scowl::rolleyes::rollno:
     
  17. I hope, one day, someone will go back and re-mix AJFA. It is poorly mixed album. In my opinion, everyone (not just Newstead) sounds awful. The whole thing needs a good remix.
     
  18. Bigjohn

    Bigjohn

    Mar 5, 2010
    This comment sounds reasonable.
    That sound is pretty clean and hi-fi with a good amount of top. He's just HITTING HARD so you hear the inherent "distortion" of the string's vibration being limited by hitting the frets, which is a form of clipping.
    Flea's sound is that way a lot of times, especially live.
    I LIKE it :)
    Hard hitting fret buzz rules!
    OK, farther into the track, there sounds like a little bit of signal clipping on the low notes. But he might have been slightly overdriving the board. But mainly he's just slamming the strings.
    I had NO idea he had THAT kind of tone on AJFA. What a dumb mix.
     
  19. MOTORHEADBANGER

    MOTORHEADBANGER Spud-boy looking for a real tomato

    Dec 23, 2008
    Sidney, Indiana
    I think it's safe to say that just about everyone on the planet thinks the AJFA album is just terrible sounding on an audio/mastering perspective. Actually out of Newsted's earlier stuff, I would definitely have to say the tone on Garage Days is best for me. The heavy picking style plus the always unique sounding Aria SB Black 'n' Gold just seems to fit perfectly. It's fat, nasally, and somewhat honky, but it really fits perfectly and really cuts through James, Kirk, and Lars.
     

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