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Nfl player mother in law dies.

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Starrchild, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. nortonrider


    Nov 20, 2007
    Sure he had his gun pulled, but he wouldn't have shot the guy.

    Look at the scenario:
    A suv pulls up to a light, checks for traffic and proceeds into a hospital parking lot and parks outside the emergency entrance.

    Obviously distraught people get out of the vehicle and head into the hospital.

    Cop shoots driver in the back as he is walking through the emergency room doors.

    Now, I know it's Texas , but I don't believe that they grow them that stupid (even there).

    That cop would go to prison for such an action.
  2. Interestingly enough, recent interview with some of the other cops in that town show that the other cops think their fellow cop acted like a tool; they felt like he's an embarrassment. "Not very professional" was one comment. "Why we're supposed to use our own discretion as and when needed" was another.
  3. I should also note - as a former cop - you aren't supposed to draw your weapon unless you think you're going to have reason to use it. You don't draw it just to scare someone you've pulled over on a traffic stop.
  4. wilsonn


    Sep 26, 2005
    New York
    It's interesting where this thread has gone. The OP's thesis was that the FAIL here was Moats suggesting that they go eat after his MIL died. The rest of the thread is basically about the discussion of whether the cop overreacted.

    No disrespect, but to me one thing's clear--none of us were there, and none of us are in a position to judge who's a good human being or not from the scant information we've been given. The media love gossip like this because a headline gets us to click on a story which results in us being served ADVERTISING along with the story. That's how they make their money (and this is my main business, the advertising, so I'm familiar with this, sadly).

    So, before we read something, take it as gospel, and start judging people, we might consider that we don't know the whole story. And, from everything I've read (and I take it with a grain of salt), the Moats family handled it with more grace than I would have.
  5. MakiSupaStar

    MakiSupaStar The Lowdown Diggler

    Apr 12, 2006
    Huntington Beach, CA
    Really? I didn't take it to mean that at all. I think the OP was pretty much in agreement with the consensus here. I think the "Poor excuse..." quote was directed to the cop. IMO.
  6. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2002
    The cop claims he didn't draw his gun. Regardless if he did or not, said cop is a choad. (This coming from a 23 year cop)
  7. On first read, I thought that said "23 year old cop". I was like WHAT???? :p
  8. middy


    Mar 14, 2007
  9. mkrtu9

    mkrtu9 Supporting Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    this is why we have discretion isn't it cheezewiz :(
  10. I have been questioned by cops a few times while in street clothes (read- metal band shirt and cut off camos) and given a good hassle- until they found out i was an off duty firefighter/paramedic. Instant change of heart "have a good day sir" attitude. They just profile people by their appearance and it makes me sick.
  11. Have you ever had a cop draw a gun on you erroneously? I have, and it doesn't matter that you're sure he won't shoot you, you still don't want to take the chance.

    I was pulled over in a traffic stop, mistaken for another vehicle. I was told to exit the vehicle by a highly agitated officer who then handcuffed me to the door handle while he had a second officer search my truck. I kept telling him I'd just pulled out of "that parking lot" and he kept telling me to shut my face, all the while with his gun drawn, straight armed and aimed at my head.

    No way, had he not handcuffed me, that I was going to move. Try saying that after you've had a gone drawn on you by a whacked out cop.
  12. I've had similar instances, though not by cops. It's sad, but I think we all do that, to a degree.
  13. Jeff K

    Jeff K Supporting Member

    Jul 9, 2005
    Memphis, TN
    I'm a retired federal agent. Believe me, there are some fantastic officers and agents out there. My credo was to always treat everybody with the same dignity and respect that I would like to have shown to me. Then if somebody proved to me that they did not deserve that dignity and respect, I would turn things up a notch until they realized they were not going to get over on me. I've had many people come up to me at their sentencings and thank me for treating them like men throughout the entire legal process.

    There are also some disgusting di##heads hiding behind badges because they're on a power trip. The latter seems to be the case in this incident. I hate to see cops treating people with condescension. I've had it happen to me until they realized I was "on the job".

    Both of my adult sons had long hair at various points in their lives. They were treated like absolute dirt by various cops simply because the cops didn't like young guys with long hair. They hadn't done anything wrong, but would get pulled over anyway. One time my son got pulled over and the cop started rummaging through his car. He said, "Officer, I didn't do anything wrong. I wasn't speeding or anything. Why did you stop me?"

    The cop said, "Shut the f##k up! I can stop you whenever I feel like it!"

    Josh said, "I'm not trying to argue, but I didn't give you permission to search my car. Do you have a warrant?"

    "Shut the f##k up! I can do any damn thing I want!" He didn't find anything in the car, and eventually left him go. He was just a power-tripping a$$hole. I'm surprised he didn't plant something.

    Another time, my daughter got lost and ended up in a rough part of town. She saw a parked cop and went to ask him how to get back to where she lives. The "wonderful" cop made her get out of her car and said he'd have to frisk her to "make sure she didn't have any weapons". She said, "I'm calling my Daddy! He's a cop too." Then all of a sudden, he got nice; gave her directions; and let her leave. I complained to the Sheriff both times, but you know how that goes. And Lord only knows how many people have been harassed simply for "driving while black".

    So bottom line, I have a lot of respect for good cops and agents. I have a lot of disgust for the bad apples who taint a once-trustworthy occupation. Sorry for the rant, but this just irritated me all over again...
  14. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    hopefully this will follow that jerk and he'll never be able to carry a firearm again in any kind of professional capacity.

    the problem with this crap is that traffic cops all fashion themselves like tv supercops. you've got guys that are 24, 25 years old deciding when and how they can abridge someone's freedoms ,without any supervision or "checks and balances". they get crap for training, they get hardly any supervision, they get no oversight, and yet they are some of the most powerful individuals in our society.

    i just had some 20-something rambo wannabe jerk with my wife and me this week. we didn't "move over" sufficiently early enough to avoid another cop who had pulled someone over into the entrance of a parking lot (more than a lane to the right of us). he noted that we did slow down, and that we were going under the speed limit to start with (both of which are more than sufficient to meet the requirements of the move over law), but we didn't move quick enough. he then started giving me a hard time because i asked him what was going on, and then -yelled- at us. this punk nub was young enough to be my son - i was driving lawfully before this nub was conceived - and he decides he's going to -yell- at me? i told him that both my wife and i were unemployed, and we hardly had any money in the bank (all true) and then the only thing that changed was mr high and mighty couldn't look me in the eye, or my wife. it was obvious he even knew he was out of line. he then pulled out his code book and tried to show us how we were out of line.

    and then he had the audacity to remind us that he had a dash cam. i told him to make sure he brought it with him at our court date.

    i can't imagine it's just a "southern" thing, but man, so many of the cops i have encountered (not "in the line of fire" so to speak, i'm mean at coffee shops and other places) are such total jerkoffs, and i don't exactly live in the boondocks either - one of the largest counties in georgia, right outside of atlanta - but man, if it doesn't play out like a bad cop joke in my neck of the woods almost every day.

    frankly, i don't think being a traffic cop is how police should -start- their careers. they have the most interraction with civies in this capacity, civies who, for the most part, are law abiding folks (not criminals) but may have violated some traffic ordinance (or not, doesn't stop them). i think the cops should get the traffic job as older cops, once they've dealt with real criminals for 10 years and learned how to act like grownups.

    if you ever meet cops like this - the real vets, the real "serve and protect" guys, these guys and gals, ime, tend to be a lot more balanced about the relevance of things, and don't try to prove anything to you about their rambohood.

    meh. just seeing this whole thing -enraged- me. considering the crap that we endured this week with officer benhe (or whatever that jerk's name was) and then seeing something like -this-... it's outrageous. what if his wife was bleeding? or having a baby? this whole thing was absurd. the cop could have parked his car and escorted them to the hospital room.

    outrageous. 14 years i've been an FOP contributor. never again - not another nickel. i gave, of my own accord, easily 10x as much as this ticket my wife got is going to cost, but not another nickel now.

    i had relatives who were cops - a lot of em. my grandfather was a sheriff in dc a long time ago. the way these traffic cop "rambo wannabes" act is a travesty.

    you guys have no idea how hard that rant was to keep within the bounds of the usage agreement heh. :D
  15. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    you know, folks are enraged at this, across the board, because they have -all- dealt with this same exact crap before (granted, few folks were in such awful situation like the football player's familly) but -everyone- has gotten screwed by traffic cops before, punk kids acting like they -are- the law, going outside and beyond their training.
  16. Relic

    Relic Cow are you?

    Sep 12, 2006
    Robbinsville, NJ
    Just a quick aside that should be thrown in here - I've also dealt with some of the coolest cops ever. Though there are some real douches like this guy, there are also a lot of good cops out there who get a bad rap by morons like this. I'm sure we all know this but I just didn't want this thread to turn into a cop bashing thing.
  17. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    yeah, that's why i said that the guys that have the most interraction with civillians - like traffic cops - should be the older, more experienced cops. the guys who have perspective and are grownups.

    there also needs to be better training for these guys. and better pay. because they require -and deserve - both to increase their performance.
  18. Relic

    Relic Cow are you?

    Sep 12, 2006
    Robbinsville, NJ
    amen to that.
  19. Starrchild


    Nov 10, 2000
    The Bay.
    I should have clarified that it was the cop who said let's go get something to eat.

    And the cop is a sorry excuse for a human being.
  20. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    outrageous. :rolleyes:

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