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Nfl player mother in law dies.

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Starrchild, Mar 27, 2009.


  1. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois
    A couple of observations:

    --Mr. Moats exhibited genuine restraint when confronted with the Barney Fife wannabe who was doing his best to escalate tension. In a situation where most people would lose control of their emotions, Mr Moats maintained self discipline to an amazing extent.

    --This could have ended far worse if Mr Moats had been less disciplined in his response to Barney Fife. We could very easily be discussing this story as a case of a motorist shot dead by a cop. The cop in this case has displayed a significant lack of perspective when dealing with a common sense situation.

    --The cop in this case is one of those people who shouldn't be a cop. He is an authority @$$#073 who lives to jerk other people around.

    --Mr. Moats and his family have been severely harmed by this situation by being prevented from their dying relative's bedside. This is no small thing. This is a situation which will haunt this family for the rest of their lives.

    -- Mr Moats has been very forgiving with the situation. He has gone out of his way to not condemn the offending police officer. It is beyond my comprehension where he finds it within himself to to not publicly berate the jerkwad who ****** over him and his family. He's a far better man than I am.:meh:
     
  2. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    I disagree. Chief Kunkle is a stand up guy. He pretty much disowned the officer in question at the press conference. He won't be a cop much longer. And I'm pretty sure it's not that he won't be a DALLAS cop much longer. I'm thinking he won't be able to work for any department.

    And I've been in a similar situation. When my grandfather died, I was trying to drive to his house before the people from the funeral home took him away. Usually I hope that the paramedic patch on my back window will make me less likely to be pulled over. It didn't work that time. I told the highway patrolman that my grampa had died and I was in a hurry to get to my his house before the funeral home people took him away. He replied "He'll still be dead when you get there." and then he took his time writing the ticket.

    Choads show up in every department.
     
  3. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    i can think of at least one reason for his restraint. lawsuit. not only against this officer, but against the dallas police dept. it's a shame that the city will be made to pay for what this punk did, but maybe they will take this opportunity to institute better training and oversight for their "finest", at least those on traffic duty :rolleyes:.
     
  4. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    It works BOTH ways. My GPS took me on a BAD route through the worst of philly tuesday....long story short, I did end up running a red. Didn't mean to, but I did. Tried to miss it, couldn't...safest course of action was to proceed. I was clearly in the wrong hood, and it was apparently way to easy to race past drunks asleep on the sidewalk, drug dealers, and whores with sirens blazing to catch the professionally dressed white boy who ran the red. After 30 minutes of being pulled over and stopped, I got out to see what the problem was. They were looking for a wrecker to tow me, and leave me on the curb which would give me about a 12 minute life expectancy. Tags were expired.....on a rental I just picked up from the airport 20 minutes earlier, and handed her the info, receipts, and everything ALAMO gave me when I rented it. Never fought a ticket before, but it's not like they give an out of state guy a chance to with the court date two months later.
     
  5. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    Sorry for the micro-rant, and on topic....that cop i nthe vid was an incredible douche, and Moat handled it much better than I would, or could have.
     
  6. cassanova

    cassanova

    Sep 4, 2000
    Florida
    I would've done what the NFL player did and kept driving to the hospital, once I was at the hospital I would've told the cop something like "my mother in law is in there dying, you can escort me in there and write me the ticket in there." There (as far as I know) is no grounds for deadly force for just walking away from a police officer so I would've taken my chances on being shot.
     
  7. willgroove2

    willgroove2

    Aug 16, 2003
    chicago IL
    Endorsing Artist;Essential sound products,Dunlop, Ergo Instruments
    The problem with just walking away was the cop already had his gun drawn and might of shot him, just because there are no grounds for deadly forces wound not have mattered after you got shot.
     
  8. kserg

    kserg

    Feb 20, 2004
    San Jose, CA
    In that case - I take what i said back. It sounded from article i read that he ran the light.
     
  9. Starrchild

    Starrchild

    Nov 10, 2000
    The Bay.

    Go to Youtube.
     
  10. kserg

    kserg

    Feb 20, 2004
    San Jose, CA
    I really don't care enough. :)
     
  11. Sue for Emotional Anguish in Civil Court for $300,000,000.00 He will never see her again. Settle for $150.000,000.00
    Hospital security along with the nurses tried to explain to the PIG. Now you know why we call them that.

    :bag:
     
  12. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    Don't include me, or the large majority of this board among you losers at life who call all cops "pigs".
     
  13. Sorry Sgt. I really did not mean all cops but I did mean That cop and his kind!


    :bag:
     
  14. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    It is notable that Mr. Moats also never mentioned he was an NFL player. If he had, the cop probably would have felt an even greater need to show him that he was in charge. Moats has not publicly forgiven the cop, and said he should be fired. I think that is only right. I heard the policeman apologize over the air, and he completely took responsibility, but I don't see how the city could ever trust the man again. He may be truly committed to public service, but he needs to do it in a capacity where he is not carrying a gun and threatening to "screw people over."
     
  15. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz Supporting Member

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    I certainly do applaud Moats for the way he handled things. The situation could have gotten MUCH uglier.
     
  16. I agree
    I understand police are humans but the job requires personal issues be left behind. If an Officer needs to take emotional time off because the job is getting to him/her or there are personal issues that prevent them from being objective, they need to take emotional time off and receive a psychlogical evaluation. I think anyone who works in a industry that requires emotional balance to perform the job where life or death is involved should have regular evaluations especially if you carry a gun as part of the job. If they are "off" that day they should stay in the office!

    :bag:
     
  17. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois

    I think you're right on all points.

    That cop is exactly the sort of person who gives police a bad name (the stereotypical PIG). Even if he's sincere in his apology, I can't believe his underlying attitude (arrogant and reckless application of authority) is going to magically transform itself into an attitude of thoughtful restraint. He simply has no business being a cop.

    In contrast is Mr. Moats. He is the opposite of the NFL stereotype (Impetuous, out of control hoodlum, all muscle and no brains). It seems to me he shatters the NFL stereotype by remaining level headed in his actions when put into a severely stressful situation. I don't know how well I would react if I had to deal with an imminently dying relative I had to get to, an emotional wife next to me demanding my attention and a cop barking at me while pointing a gun in my face, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have done as well as Moats.
     
  18. cassanova

    cassanova

    Sep 4, 2000
    Florida
    This is true, but I would still like to think that even the biggest rookie on the beat would still not shoot at someone for walking away.

    BTW, I did also say I would have taken my chances.
     
  19. hbarcat

    hbarcat Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2006
    Rochelle, Illinois


    Given that exact situation, I wouldn't be so quick to gamble on not being shot. But that's just me.
     
  20. Dr. Cheese

    Dr. Cheese Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Metro St. Louis
    One thing I learned as a security guard was that the guy who kills is the one who gets to write the report. In other words, a cop that is willing to go over the line would probably work up some rationale for shooting someone in the back if he had to.:oops:

    If we learn nothing else from this incident, just remember what Mr. Moats did, stay calm!
     

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