NFL Week #6

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by mrpackerguy, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. Career per game numbers:

    Jordy Nelson
    2.4 receptions, 31.5 yd, 0.18 TD

    James Jones:
    2.6 receptions, 36.5 yd, 0.24 TD

    Nate Burleson:
    3.1 receptions, 40 yd, 0.31 TD
     
  2. Funky Ghost

    Funky Ghost Translucently Groovy

    How do you figure?

    Pettigrew is young and emerging, Nate is a journeyman who has bounced around. Jordy Nelson, a converted defensive player, runs very accurate routes and is becoming a 3rd down specialist at the WR position who thrives in the middle of the field. Don't look now but Jones has seen his targets go up nearly 40% from his first two games. That means he has his QB's confidence. In that offense it means he'll have a very very good shot at out producing Nate from the WR3 spot.

    Full disclosure - I wanted the Titans to draft Jordy Nelson after Chris Johnson that year. I think he is still learning his craft and hasn't peeked yet.
     
  3. Funky Ghost

    Funky Ghost Translucently Groovy

    Oooooooo a numbers guy! Fun!

    Jordy Nelson has started 11 games in his career so far versus 32 for Burleson during that same stretch. Those are neat numbers too.

    3rd downs that extend plays and allow the team to score TDs is as important to the team as scoring one himself. Blocking down field effectively is as important as running good routes.

    Football is a team sport. Not fantasy football numbers. Watch a game, see who is more important to their club.

    If you think that a single GM would take Nate over those two you are sadly mistaken. I would submit to you if the Packers offered a straight up trade Nelson OR Jones for Burleson, the Lions would injure their wrist trying to sign on the dotted line so fast.
     
  4. Pettigrew is Pro Bowl caliber tight end.

    Neither Jones nor Nelson are Pro Bowl caliber receivers.

    Pettigrew (a TE):
    4 receptions, 42yd, .22 TD

    Jordy Nelson
    2.4 receptions, 31.5 yd, 0.18 TD

    James Jones:
    2.6 receptions, 36.5 yd, 0.24 TD

    ...and both have MORE experience than Pettigrew, and have played with a much better QB.

    Burleson has generally better stats, and is a better blocker than either - but if we were talking about long term who will be the better receiver (as opposed to who is more accomplished at this point) I'd take Nelson.
     
  5. ...and if he's so great, why ISN'T he starting :D

    Yes... and Burleson is one of the best blocking receivers in the NFL.

    I watch a lot of games - and there is no question that the Lions would suffer WAY more from losing Burleson than the Packers would from losing Jordy Nelson.

    Nelson probably - but that has more to do with age than anything. Jones - no way.

    ...and I'd take Titus Young over either Nelson or Jones if we're looking at potential future production.
     
  6. GeoffT

    GeoffT

    Aug 1, 2011
    Michigan
    Actually, we agree on quite a bit then, it's still early in the season, both teams are gonna end up losing some games, and what really matters is how they play at the end that counts. My only beef was that you made it an attack on Burk and the other Lions fans here with the name-calling. We can talk up our own teams and even talk some smack about other teams without having to call other people names.

    I still find it funny that you and a few other Packers fans keep going back to the same thing, the Lions won a divisional game on the road against a team playing poorly right now and coming back against the Cowboys, also on the road, and discounting them as if they mean less. If it was Woodson who made the 2 pick-6s against the Cowboys, I suspect it would be cause he is a great player more than Romo giving the game away. Cowboys had plenty of opportunities to stop the Lions offense and they failed to make a single big play when it mattered. Cowboys offense had enough time to win it at the end but they got shut down. Didn't Carolina and Denver have the first 2 picks in the draft this year? Those 2 victories for the Packers could be discredited just the same but a win is a win and a team can only beat the teams on their schedule.

    As far as adversity, Lions will be fine, the two huge comebacks on the road are great examples of how they face it, they keep playing hard until the end and they are making the big plays necessary to win. Want some more examples? Lions lost their starting QB last year, were out of the playoff hunt and had absolutely nothing to play for and still they won their last 4 games, knocking GB out of the drivers seat for the last wild card spot, then beating TB to knock them out of the last wild card spot, giving GB the chance to earn that last spot. The guy they picked this year to pick up their running game went on IR before the season started. How about going from the worst sports franchise ever under Matt Millen just a few years ago to where they are today? Not quite as big as winning the SB from the #6 seed with a number of key guys on IR but still shows that they have consistently stepped up to overcome some pretty big challenges.

    It's still too early to tell how the season will turn out for anyone but I sure like the Lions chances, their roster is a lot better than you might think, at least their 2nd and 3rd string QBs have proven that they can win some games in the NFL. How about what everyone consistently calls their 2 biggest weaknesses, the O-line and their pass coverage? Both are in the top 12 in the league.

    Should be a fun season to watch, just like many of you GB fans know that your D isn't playing up to their potential yet and are just starting to get things rolling, a lot of Lions fans know the same about the Lions O.

    And no sweat on calling out my spelling error, I spelled it wrong many times over, clearly a gross mistake that deserved correcting.
     
  7. Jared Lash

    Jared Lash Born under punches

    Aug 21, 2006
    Denver, CO
    That's why I said IF everyone was healthy. I was giving the presumptive depth chart for SF if there were no injuries. Braylon Edwards would start, Crabtree would start opposite him with Morgan likely the backup for both starters and Ted Ginn would be the 3rd/slot receiver.

    The reason I was going through the depth chart was that Burk was claiming that the Niners were signing practice squaders to start at receiver for the Niners. The truth is they are missing one starter (Edwards who presumably will return after the bye) and one backup (albeit a talented and important one) in Morgan. They still have one starter (Crabtree) and their 3rd receiver (Ginn) is starting, just as he did on opening day. The Niners certainly need WR depth and thus the move, but it isn't as if their receiving corps is in a shambles.

    I'll be excited to see the Lions and Packers and it would be great to see that rivalry really kick into high gear for a few years. But next up for the Lions is the Niners who shouldn't be overlooked. Yeah, the Lions are 5-0 but SF is 4-1 and SHOULD have beaten Dallas as well considering the lead they had in that game.

    The teams the Niners have played thus far are a collective 11-13. The teams the Lions have played are 10-14. Both have played Tampa Bay and Dallas. The Niners crushed the Bus 48-3 and lost in OT to the Cowboys 27-24. The Lions beat Tampa Bay 27-20 and had a great comeback to beat Dallas 34-30.

    This is a very good measuring stick game for both teams. But matchups make games so I do think Detroit has the edge given that their strength is the passing game which is the weaker aspect of SF's defense.
     
  8. GeoffT

    GeoffT

    Aug 1, 2011
    Michigan
    I don't think many people in Detroit are overlooking the 9ers, especially the guys who matter the most, the coaches and players.

    While I do think the Lions strengths and weaknesses match up pretty well against the 9ers, the 9ers are on a roll and appear to be well on their way to big things under Harbaugh. It's the NFL and any team can beat any other team on a given Sunday, that's why it's fun to watch. Lions vs 9ers should be a good one either way since they are both playing well.
     
  9. Actually, Aaron has TERRIBLE football instincts. He has the physical skills and can knock the snot out of people, when he's in the area, but that's really all he has. The Seahawks have put him inside, outside, and on the end in pass rushing situations. He's failed at all of them.

    However, the day it "clicks" for him, or if it does, he has the physical skills to be dominant.
     
  10. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Moderator Staff Member

    Apr 12, 2001
    Olympia, WA
    I disagree with his instincts. Then again, I didn't play LB. I was a NT.

    -Mike
     
  11. We know :D
     
  12. I was a wide receiver. What was it then? If he has the instincts, and the physical skills... What made him irrelevant and lose his starting job to a rookie? Jim Mora and his staff or Pete Carroll and his staff?

    One of the first things Pete Carrol said when being hired was his excitement about Aaron Curry. He mentioned watching game film on him so as to see how they can utilize him best... He just ended up running around lost in pass coverage and didn't have they ability to shed blocks and rush the passer. When he did, he NEVER recognized the run and was in no mans land constantly.
     
  13. Mike and his war stories.

    Curry is an ACC kid, and a smart one at that, so I wish him the best. Crazy versatile guy when it comes to football, he seemed like such a safe pick. I wonder what happened?
     
  14. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Moderator Staff Member

    Apr 12, 2001
    Olympia, WA
    Hey, did I tell you guys about the time..... :D

    I only mentioned it as a point of reference so Waterpilot would know where I was coming from. I think most all of us who post here have played at one level or another, so I'm not unique in any way.

    -Mike
     
  15. jaywa

    jaywa

    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    I think Pettigrew is going to be a heck of a TE and that his development will make a quantum leap if/when Stafford's health issues are behind him.

    At 6'6 260+ he is a beast to cover and his speed isn't world class for a TE but he's fast enough. Sorry to say but assuming he stays healthy I think he will be torturing my Bears for years to come.
     
  16. I'd love to get out there and play again. Last time I played had to be about 3yrs ago. A few months back I just ran back kicks over and over again with two of my buddies. I was unstoppable, of course :D I gotta play again!
     
  17. Dave Wyman was a professional linebacker that played for both the Seahawks and Denver Broncos.

    Aaron Curry: Why would you do that? - Seahawks News - MyNorthwest.com
     
  18. That doesn't seem like good news for him. Instincts are the one thing a defensive player can't lack.

    Me and a few Texans fans I know were complaining about our lack of a 2nd reciever and thought signing Derrick Rose would be killer. He's crazy fast, super hops, really agile, and has good hands. Perfect signing. This made think of another basketball player who would be a good football player. Lebron. He was an All-State receiver in Ohio, is 6'8, stupid fast, crazy strong, and has some of the best hands in the NBA, perfect TE.
     
  19. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Moderator Staff Member

    Apr 12, 2001
    Olympia, WA
    Eh, Dave Wyman. He gets paid to talk like that now. It's easy for everyone to sit around and bust on the guy now that he is gone. Especially since there is the embarrassment of giving up on a #4 overall pick.

    Oakland may not be the best spot for him either, since I think he'd be much better off in a 3-4. I just don't think Pete Carroll is the best judge of talent or the most stable guy to be coaching an NFL team, which didn't help Aaron or anyone on that team. He likes to make personnel changes, especially when it means cutting the bottom line.

    Curry won't be a HOF'er, but I think he has the tools and skills to be much better than he has been given he can learn one playbook and play in a system that fits his style.

    -Mike
     
  20. jaywa

    jaywa

    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    Aaron Curry was a draft pick of Tim Ruskell, who singlehandedly destroyed a SuperBowl Seahawks team in near record time.

    Ruskell is the second worst personnel man in the NFL, behind only Jerry Angelo of the Bears. Oh BTW Ruskell works for the Bears now too.