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'no effects' trolling in the Effects forum

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by David Wilson, Jul 18, 2015.


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  1. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    They usually aren't allowed to bash the religion supported by those forums.
     
  2. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    I'm an atheist (literally), and it would never occur to me to join a religious forum. It would be offensive for me to claim that my way is superior, and childish even to offer it as an alternative. I assume that the members are all capable of making their own decisions, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that they've chosen to live their lives differently than I have.
     
  3. MGR

    MGR Banned

    Jan 18, 2015
    Bronx, NY
    I'm personally torn on this issue because asking why effects are necessary or why one uses them could potentially change one's mind. In other words, maybe a person really doesn't know why an effect pedal would be used for bass, and perhaps that person could be convinced to try one out. Potentially then that theoretical person could become an ardent and vocal supporter of all things effects. Yes, this is a utopian scenario perhaps, but it seems like to limit discussion is never a good thing.

    Regarding the trolling aspect of this topic, I've been accused of trolling here when that was the furthest thing from my mind, so not everyone you think is trolling is actually trolling. Some people might genuinely be curious or confused and need/want an answer.

    Having said that though, it does seem that there are probably enough of these types of threads archived here that there really truly is nothing more to add to that discussion. In either case, I respect the decision of the moderators as this is a place where we sign up voluntarily and have to adhere to certain rules of engagement.
     
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  4. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    I assume that a "I can get the sound by x" by not using a pedal is ok?
     
  5. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    No reason to panic, there is no slippery slope. In fact there's no real change in policy; this announcement merely follows the general TalkBass social rule of "Don't Be A Dick". Sometimes specifics are mentioned when dickishness gets out of control on a particular topic, such as when it became a fad to hate ERBs over in the Basses forum (we can all think of other examples, I'm sure).
     
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  6. hdracer

    hdracer

    Feb 15, 2009
    Elk River, MN.
    Can we keep the effects people from trolling the amps forum?
    Whenever someone asks about a tube head there are always the people that try and tell the OP that they dont need a tube head because they can get the same tone with some peddle and any SS head.
    Sorry you can't
     
  7. BryanB

    BryanB Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    I really recommend not trolling in a thread about not trolling. :)

     
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  8. SanDiegoHarry

    SanDiegoHarry Banned Supporting Member

    Feb 28, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Well, when a player posts "Do I need effects?" or "what's the one pedal I really need?" - are these posts not begging the question "Are pedals required?" - and for guys like me, who *have* used lots of effects and eventually concluded that, while they are great fun, they are not all the useful in most gigging situations - are we now to remain silent?
     
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  9. FilterFunk

    FilterFunk Everything is on the ONE! Supporting Member

    Mar 31, 2010
    I would imagine so, because that would be a genuine attempt at finding a real solution. On the other hand, when someone asks about a specific tone that obviously cannot be achieved by fingers, bass and amp, and someone else answers, "I've been gigging 40+ years playing every style of music and never used effects...effects make you disappear in a mix...effects are toys...effects are crutches...effects are useless...just get a good bass and amp" - therein lies the problem.

    Even if you can answer an effects question with, "I can get that tone with (insert specific technique/strings/bass/amp here)," there's no need to add the "effects are useless toys" garbage.
     
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  10. FilterFunk

    FilterFunk Everything is on the ONE! Supporting Member

    Mar 31, 2010
    Another option is ignoring such posts, or the effects forum altogether, especially if you're clearly not into effects.
     
  11. OOD

    OOD

    Jul 29, 2009
    Then the person asking gets a bias opinion from a small group of people who will always advise using effects.
     
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  12. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    I think EVERYone needs to lighten up.
     
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  13. FilterFunk

    FilterFunk Everything is on the ONE! Supporting Member

    Mar 31, 2010
    That's why I presented it as an option.
     
  14. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    o_O

    WE ARE FX USERS. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

    Thanks for the laugh, dude. Sorry, but the users aren't as fanatical as the haters.
     
  15. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    We gotta get Captain Picard playing with a P.
     
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  16. OOD

    OOD

    Jul 29, 2009
    I never said you didn't.
     
  17. FilterFunk

    FilterFunk Everything is on the ONE! Supporting Member

    Mar 31, 2010
    By "option," I meant that one could choose not to respond. That doesn't mean that a person may not respond, or that "...the person asking gets a bias opinion from a small group of people who will always advise using effects." It means that it may lead to be fewer vague posts, and fewer unhelpful answers either way.

    Hopefully, after all of this, the questions in the Effects forum with be less vague and more specific (the OPs bear some responsibility, too), and the answers will be more helpful and less presumptuous and self-congratulatory.
     
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  18. OOD

    OOD

    Jul 29, 2009
    I'm not say that it's okay to tell people they should not use effects when their question is "What OD do I need for X sound?". But when the question is "Do I need effects and why?" It should be fair game for anyone to post whatever opinion they have.

    Haters suck, but not everyone who has a different opinion is a hater.
     
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  19. Fuzzbass

    Fuzzbass P5 with overdrive Gold Supporting Member

    Go back and re-read the original post of this thread. David specifically warns against generic questions such as those because they are troll magnets.

    Perhaps someone can write an unbiased article explaining the pros and cons of effects, and that could be stickied, or added to the newbie FAQ.
     
  20. BryanB

    BryanB Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Btw, I really have no issue with someone responding to a legit 'how do I get this sound' query by saying that is best achieved via pickups/eq/amp blah, blah, blah. I see this when posters inquire about a getting a growly sound but not necessarily overdrive for example.
     

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