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Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by David Wilson, Jul 18, 2015.
Open, generic questions don't have to be an excuse for trolling.
I already read the original post and I remember David warning against those posts. That doesn't mean I have to agree with David.
Edit: Although, I do agree with at least 90% of the original post. Just not the part about not naming a thread "why do you use effects".
FYI, people in the effects forum answer "that's just an SVT with x bass" and that is completely acceptable. Your comparison does not hold water at all. Saying "you do not need effects, effects are for guitar" is quite different than saying "that sound comes from an all tube amp". You'd be surprised how many people in the effects forum use a full tube amp and would recommend it for getting a full tube amp sound.
In addition to this (which is totally true), I doubt that, one recent isolated event aside, the number of people "trolling" the amps forum saying "just use pedal X" even remotely approaches the inverse.
I like pedals and fx. A lot. Since I was a teenager (I still own my first Boss DS1). I like to turn on and off fx and turning knobs and experimenting.. l
I guess that all this "trolling" thing is a matter of knowledge and musical wisdom. I've been playing a lot of gigs, with a lot of bands and a lot of styles. Sometimes it's a matter of bass/cable/amp , sometimes you need something more. For my next gig I wanted to go just with my bass , a clip tuner and my wireless because for the kind of music we play I can go straight to the amp if I want.. but the band wants me playing a bass intro for one of the songs and I always use a flanger to play it.. so I'll bring a pedal.
I've been through this before... some people think that they're cooler than the rest because they don't use fx at all... some people think that they're cooler than the rest because they have a huge pedalboard.. It's not an "all or nothing" thing. If it works for you, that's fine.. If it doesn't, don't loose your time complaining about it, or telling everyone that they're wrong...
I've never used effects pedals on bass, and only ever used a Tube Screamer or Fuzz Box on guitar, but I've recently acquired a Zoom B3, and it's laden with effects which I have no idea how to use.
How should I frame my questions about them in order to stay within the rules?
For example, there's a thing called a "flanger"; I want to know what it's supposed to do, how to incorporate it into a sound, what sort of music it works well with. My natural reaction would be to ask "What is the point and purpose of a 'Flanger'," but I think my thread would get deleted.
I have a lot of questions like that, because I'm a total noob with effects, and I don't want to get any grief for asking honest questions.
I'm not going to try to speak for the mods, but I do think this announcement has caused a slight amount of unnecessary hand-wringing. As I understand it, the only question(s) that is/are being somewhat ruled out are the most general ones about effects that will attract the anti-effects crowd. Examples:
Do you use effects?
Should I use effects?
Why use effects?
Are effects good for bass?
Effects or no effects?
If you have any specificity at all in your question, I don't think your question is the problem. Examples:
Zoom B3 Effects help for newbie
Help with understanding different effect types
Can you explain a flanger to me?
that is exactly the intent
Coming from the land of bhangra, verily I say unto thee, you need no effects for it - just a bottle of cheap Indian whiskey will get you home
Awesome. Been away for a while and really happy to see this sticky. Whoever came up with it...kudos!
@ David Wilson- Could we at least hear your bhangra / death metal / reggae band?
Unfortunately it is starting to seem like this thread could use a bump back up to prominence again...
Maybe, but in a previous life (as Gurney Halleck in Dune) he played a Stick...
P.S. I love my effects
One could ask "what is a good example of a specific pedal type", IE: flanger (which for those new to effects is not really self explanatory).
I love my flanger, incidentally!
The only problem is you'll get a lot of posts recommending each person's favorite pedal that they own, and not a comprehensive or often informative answer.
Most if not all PC interfaces have effects sims built in, which are pretty useful for trying out something you don't own or have direct access to at a local level.
The effects are usually based fairly accurately on real pedals, so that's a bonus.
If yo really like one you can buy the pedal it's based on and be reasonably assured of getting a similar tone.
If there are free trial versions available, that would be handy to get a decent idea what the capabilities and limitations of certain pedals are.
All pedals are definitely NOT created equal to say the least, but at the minimum one needs to know just what they do.
After that it's down to personal preference and the endless vagaries of tone.
BRB starting a band called Endless Vagaries of Tone.
VOTE DUKAKIS 88!
This is perhaps one of the best posts I've read today. This can apply equally to politics, conspiracy theories, and any other category in which dogma can bring out the arrogance in people.
NOFX? I heard they suck live...
i believe, not so many...