No rosin for me thanks.

Discussion in 'Bows and Rosin [DB]' started by TGforPlywood, Nov 25, 2005.

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  1. TGforPlywood


    Sep 29, 2005
    Ringwood, NJ
    Recently gained vast improvement going sans rosin based on the advice of an upper tier seasoned player.

    It's not just for basses anymore.
  2. What a coincidence. Whenever I take a bowed solo, I get that same suggestion from at least four or five people. :p
  3. TGforPlywood


    Sep 29, 2005
    Ringwood, NJ
    I still think there are going to be times when I'll want to use it, but I was just fighting with it. But if you think about it...It's such a "sappy" sound.
  4. Don Higdon

    Don Higdon In Memoriam

    Dec 11, 1999
    Princeton Junction, NJ
    In the last year I've come to like the sound this gets:
    Less rosin.
    Slightly looser bow hair, to get a bit more contact with the strings.
    Oliv strings.
    It's warmer. I hate to "hear the rosin".
    This demands accurate bow angles. I'm the king of unintended double stops.
  5. Charles Shores

    Charles Shores Commercial User

    Jul 26, 2005
    well, you can play without rosin, and you can playin _without_ rosin.

    i think what you are trying it not applying rosin anymore (correct me if im wrong)

    which is completely different from using a bow with clean hair (you wont even get a sound there)

  6. Try bowing an EUB! Ive been fighting with my NS for a year now (you can hear it on in both tracks) and wow it doesnt like mistakes

    Permanent right angles with just the right lean oor it squeals at me! Youd have thought a bodyless bass would have been more caring past the octave too....dont get me wrong, i love it but yeesh I miss the days when slightly off bow angles didnt sound like blackboard and chalk!

    Rosin! as much as my hairs can physically handle!
  7. TeHarr


    Nov 8, 2005
    You dudes are such jazzers... (no disrespect, more envy)

    I've had this problem with lower-end bows. If you get a well-made bow with good hair on it, all you hear is gold.
  8. Don Higdon

    Don Higdon In Memoriam

    Dec 11, 1999
    Princeton Junction, NJ
    Trust me on this: a Sue Lipkins bow is not low-end.
    My observation still holds.
  9. Tbeers


    Mar 27, 2005
    I haven't put rosin on my bow for about a month now, still going strong.
  10. jallenbass

    jallenbass Supporting Member Commercial User

    May 17, 2005
    Bend, Oregon
    Just curious. Have you been using a rosinless approach in orchestra?
  11. Chasarms

    Chasarms Casual Observer

    May 24, 2001
    Saint Louis, MO USA
    I've been thinking about taking it a step further and playing without the hair as well. Just rubbing the stick on the string.
  12. G-force


    Jul 1, 2004
    oslo Norway
    wow.yeah but the airbow is the way to go.
  13. KSB - Ken Smith

    KSB - Ken Smith Inactive Commercial User

    Mar 1, 2002
    Perkasie, PA USA
    Owner: Ken Smith Basses, Ltd.
    I have a fantastic Bultitude with old black hair. Sounds like 'white' gold. I have an Eibert Bow with old hair and maybe 80% of the strands.. Sounds great as well. It's the Stick that makes the Bow and not the Hair. Good hair will bring out the best in any bow but bad hair cannot kill a great bow by any means.

    By the way, I have a Sue Lipkins Bow here that i am looking at and it's first one I actually have played. WHAT a SOUND it has. Gives my Bultitude 'stiff' competition. I have a Lipkins Bow on order now for a year. If I end up buying this other one in my hands now, I will have two (2) of them because I will NOT cancel my order. These bows are just TOO good to pass on. The Hair on the Lipkins Bow is amongst the best I have ever seen. Rather, I have never seen a better 'hair job' before.
  14. TeHarr


    Nov 8, 2005
    I trust you on that sir, but keep in mind the stamp on the bow doesn't make it an excellent stick. There will always be good and bad ones...
  15. Uncletoad


    May 6, 2003
    Columbus Ohio
    Proprietor Fifth Avenue Fret Shop. Technical Editor Bass Gear Magazine
    I disagree. When you are dealing with high end single worker production where the goal is to be timeless and outstanding, quality control is at it's highest potential. I don't know her, (and thus could be wrong) but like others working to that standard, my guess is that things that don't make the grade never cross the shop threshold and see the light of day.
  16. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    I'm pretty sure this depends on what strings you use - look in the EUB forum for a discussion of this...the NS stock strings are very poor for Arco.
  17. Don Higdon

    Don Higdon In Memoriam

    Dec 11, 1999
    Princeton Junction, NJ
    I know what I have.
  18. Mudfuzz


    Apr 3, 2004
    I've tried this a few times with my old cheap bow, sounds eery and thin. :eek:
  19. PaulCannon


    Jan 24, 2002
    Frankfurt, Germany
    NS Design / AER Endorsing Artist
    The thing I've realized is that rehairs need to happen more frequently. I was always told that you need to do it when most of the hairs have popped off, but really it's when they've died of overrosinization.

    Less is more. When you get a rehair, only put three or four strokes on to get it going. Then every time you need more rosin, only put a couple swipes on. You don't have to use half a cake in one sitting.
  20. jallenbass

    jallenbass Supporting Member Commercial User

    May 17, 2005
    Bend, Oregon
    I use a lot of rosin and only get my bow rehaired when it loses too much hair. I get exactly the tone that I want everytime.
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