So far I've found the Pandora PXR4 and the Edirol R-1 but the Pandora is $300 and the Edirol is going to be around $450... not exactly affordable. Is there anything else out there I should look at? I don't need a bunch of silly effects or drum simulators. I just want something with a good pre that I can hook a mic into and record orchestra rehearsals or bluegrass jams. The reason I'm not looking at minidisc recorders is I don't really want to fool with buying and using media everytime I want to record something. I've also been told that there's no digital output on MD recorders. The thought of having to re-record the stuff onto the pc doesn't exactly thrill me. If I'm wrong about MD feel free to convince me, I definately like most of their pricetags!