Not a halfstack, but not a full one either...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ddayseb, Apr 27, 2003.

  1. ddayseb


    Mar 18, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Hi. I'm trying to figure out what sort of cab to use with my GK 800RB and my G&L L-2500 for rock music. I'm trying to find something in between the size of a 4x10 and an 8x10. The two things I'm considering at the moment are a 6x10 (Ampeg, SWR, not sure who else makes them...) and a 4x12 (no clue who makes them these days besides Aggie). I'd like to stick with one cab, as portability is an issue, I'd like something cleaner/more articulate than 15's, I don't have a whole lot of money to spend, and I have to be audible alongside a guerilla of a drummer and a keyboard player in a variety of club situations. The things I'd like to ask folks about are:

    Between 6 10's and 4 12's, will one do an exceptionally better/worse job of reaching 31Hz?
    Why don't more folks make 4x12 cabs for bass?
    For those with experience, how well does it work to replace the speakers in an old guitar half-stack with Eminence's or something, especially below the E string? Will certain cabs accomodate this purpose better than others?
    Things I should be thinking about that I'm not?

    That's a lot, isn't it? Thanks for listening/helping,
  2. bentem


    Oct 18, 2002
    Rockville, MD
    Mesa Boogie and Genz-Benz both make 6x10's. I dont know about 4x12's though.

    If portability is an issue, two smaller cabs might be easier than a 6x10 or a 4x12.
  3. ESP-LTD


    Sep 9, 2001

    I think you'll find that 2 small cabs are a lot easier to move than a single large one.

    They are big and heavy. There are more 10" and 15" drivers appropriate for bass guitar than 12" drivers. The bass market isn't used to them yet.

    You will probably need more cabinet volume than a guitar box has. I wouldn't recommend it if you want low frequencies.
  4. Peavey makes a 4x12 cab for bass. I'm interested in it. Does anyone have any experience with it?
  5. Im a sock

    Im a sock

    Dec 23, 2002
    Central MA
    SWR makes a 4x12 cabinet as well, and from what I've heard it sounds very punchy, with lots of midrange. It also weighs 100 lbs. Good luck with your search.
  6. Petebass


    Dec 22, 2002
    QLD Australia
    I also believe that 2 smaller cabs are easier to move around than one large one. Maybe a couple of 2x12 cabs? Or a 2x12 with a 2x10?

    As for the speaker translpant, we will indeed need to know the measurements of the proposed cabinet. If it's a slanted box, we're going to have some fun working out the volume. We could then search around for drivers that work in that volume enclosure.

    Provided we can find some suitable speakers, it's then it's a matter of tuning the porting to suit the new speakers.

    So it can be done. But I'd be checking out the existing offerings before going this route.
  7. If you went with a 210 over a 115 or 210 over a 410, then you could use both the high and low of the 800rb amp giving you an additional 100 watts. Even more power if you go with a 4ohm 410 under an 8 ohm 210.

    GK's RBH cabinets would sound great with this. The GK SBX cabinets will be out soon and would also sound great with this. SBX cabinets are non ported.
  8. Saetia


    Mar 27, 2003
    See I'm going with a 2x12 and a 2x10 Ernie Ball Music Man cab's and they weigh around 95 and 80lbs a each, but arnt that big but heavy bastards.
  9. Tsal


    Jan 28, 2000
    Finland, EU
    Perhaps a 2x12" with additional 1x12" or a small 1x15"? This would be around the same size as say, 4x10+2x10.

    The way I see it, if you are getting two cabs, they would be best choosen so that either of the cabs has it's own use, and you can combine them both for large venues. For example, you could use the small 1x15" at rehearsals, the 2x12" at smaller gigs and the combined 2x12+1x15" stack at larger.
  10. Wownirvana


    Jul 7, 2002
    Athens, GA
    I have portability issues as well so I went with a 4x10 and 2x10 setup. It sounds great and is easy to transport in my car. If you want a single cab though both Ampeg and Mesa Boogie make 6x10 cabs that sound great for rock music. If you really want portability in a cab you might want to go check out the SWR 8x8 cab. They are fairly small and sound very unique~Josh
  11. i've played thru the peavey 412TVX back before i worked for peavey. i don't know if we make them anymore, but i wouldn't be surprised either way. i guess it's on our web page (with a printed frequency response spec. of 30Hz to 15kHz!), so it's more likely that we make it.

    a friend of mine has a firebass700 and a 412TVX. that was a great rig -- big, round tone, tons of power. it was so much better than my carvin combo, which is pretty bad. i hope that's not damning by faint praise.

  12. Mike


    Sep 7, 2000
    I played thru one once at a gig so I wouldn't have to lug my rig in. Brutally thick!! It sounded great. Tremendous presence, wallop, low end, and air was moving all over. They can be had for a pretty reasonable price too.
  13. Tsal


    Jan 28, 2000
    Finland, EU
    Aguilar and EBS have tower-shaped 4x12" cabs, by the way. I think the Aggie was something like $1200 list, so not that expensive.
  14. PollyBass

    PollyBass ******

    Jun 25, 2001
    Shreveport, LA
    Get the Peavey 4x12.
  15. patrickj


    Aug 13, 2001
    Baltimore, MD
    6x10s, 8x10s, 8x8s, larger cabinets, etc... all easier to move *and* transport than smaller cabinets and cabinets without castors.

    I regularly fit my 6x10 in the back of my ford escort (4 door) - just lean it back into the hatch (3/4 in, 1/4 out), cover it w/ a tarp/plastic, and bungie it. Much easier on my back then trying to carry a 4x10 or 2x10 or 1x15.
  16. I really like the sound of that 4x12 now. :D It weighs 150 lbs, but for sound like that, I'm willing.
  17. jasonbraatz


    Oct 18, 2000
    Oakland, CA
    i much prefer lugging around my 6x10 than i did my 2x10 + triad. it's on casters, plus it is smaller and lighter than the combination.

    plus it sounds much nicer :D
  18. Thor

    Thor Moderator Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    I like the 4x12 Peavey also.

    But, if excellent power at 31 hz is an issue, a larger cone will perform better at lower hz. ( Saying that a speaker performs down to 30 hz doesn't mean it perform well at that point on the curve, 'specially when you are pushing the fringe of its design capability. )

    Take another look at a 1x18, I have heard some people rave about their response when adequately

    I used to use a 18 setup and it had HUGE sound.
    I used to stand in front of it an crank feedback out of it like you read about, then whomp it hard
    with chords, you could't kill the darn thing.
    So take another look at that.

    On with the show.
  19. redneck2wild


    Nov 27, 2002
    Memphis, TN
    I played through a Peavey 412TVX connected to a Firebass head - it had a huge bottom end.
    It was tighter sounding than a 2x15 but every bit as loud on the low end.
  20. ddayseb


    Mar 18, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Thanks for all the advice. Yeah, two cabs does make more sense in terms of scalability and transport. Lifting and hauling something isn't an issue (yet); fitting it in the '86 Prelude is. 2 doors=poo. Reloading a guitar 4x12 for bass might be a fun project for a rainy day, but I don't really have the time now.

    For the sake of aforementioned scalability, I think I'd like to find a 2x12 rather than a 1x15. The problem at that point appears to be finding one that will maintain volume at 31Hz. Clarity, because of smaller speaker size, I would imagine to be less of an issue. Things I've thought about in this department include Ernie Ball and Avatar because of relative cheapness, but who knows how they handle a B, and EBS, because it's rated down to 30Hz (all relative, of course), and they're supposed to be awesome, but it's probably not so cheap. Any recommendations? Flite maybe?

    Thanks again,