Not sure how to approach this

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by kjpollo, Jan 30, 2009.

  1. kjpollo


    Mar 17, 2008
    I play in a hard-rock/metal band w/2 guitarists. We're prepping for SMALL clubs. Both guitarists have relatively small half-stacks.
    I have an OLD 150W Crate combo with a single 15". It has a 2 ohm minimum and the 15 is a 4 ohm speaker. I know I can add a 2x10 4 ohm cabinet for around $150-200.

    What I'm wondering is:
    Could I buy a better head and a 2x10 and still use the 15 in the combo by bypassing the connection to the combo's amp section?

    OR would I be better off selling/trading the Crate and buying a good, more powerful used head and a 4x10 cabinet?

    We're a few months away from playing out so I dont need to do this immediately but I want to get some ideas while I start accumulating some cash to get this done.

  2. Probably wouldn't get much selling the Crate - so best to keep it around. You can daisy chain it to another amp, so you still get the 150 watts it delivers to your 15".

    If you try to add a cab, I fear you won't get much more out of the amp - especially using a 2x10. Going to 2 ohms, most low end amps won't be happy, even if it's "safe".

    A guitarist can get away with a 2x12 combo and play a huge place. Even outdoor gigs. Bass players need a whole lot more wattage and speaker surface area to get the job done.

    I'd suggest getting a 4x10 and head used... something over 200 watts if you could. That would put out a bunch of volume. You could always add your Crate to that to cut through in a bigger venue.

    Hard rock music + medium sized room = a lot of bass equipment to get the job done. (either a lot of cheap stuff, or smaller amount of expensive stuff that can put out the wattage and sound you require)
  3. JSK5String


    May 19, 2008
    Littleton, CO
    Questions to consider:
    - Will you have PA support? If so, I'd just upgrade to a small 2x10 combo that's loud enough for stage volume only. If not, then you may need something that move more air. You could still use a combo with an extension cab.
    - How big are the stages going to be? Many of the smaller clubs also have smaller stages. In these instances a 2x10 tilt-back combo rules.

    If I sound like I'm pushing a 2x10 combo I guess maybe I am. I've been totally happy with my GK 2x10 tilt-back combo amp. I play in a classic rock cover band and it's plenty loud on stage for the clubs we play (I have PA support, so I don't need to move a ton of air) and it has great tone when I run my VT Bass pedal and J Bass into it.

    Either way, I'd find a store with some selection and find something with some headroom that your ears like.
  4. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Metal? I think you'd be better off just using the Crate for light duty and get a head/410. Even better would be two 210's in a vertical stack IMHO. For any other kind of music you could probably get by with the Crate for a good while, but metal takes wattage and speaker surface area. I'd go for 300w minimum.
  5. baalroo


    Mar 24, 2008
    Wichita, KS
  6. Hi.

    Another vote for 200-500W head and a 4*10 cab.

    If You can live with a franken-rig and are pleased with the tonal characteristics of the Crate, one option would be to add an old (=HEAVY), but cheap PA amp and that 4*10 cab to Your existing combo. That is obviously valid only if the Crate in question has a pre-out socket or You can tap into the FX-loop without losing the link to the Crates power section.

  7. RickenBoogie


    Jul 22, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    I'll just +1 the big head/410 or bigger idea. And, keep the Crate for practice, or a back up.
  8. GK 2001 head = 1000 WATTS, and 8X10 cab, now that's metal baby...
  9. kjpollo


    Mar 17, 2008
    Well, I can definitely see what you're all saying.

    As far as the rooms we hope to play, in most instances there is no PA. I've been to a few places seeing other bands play so I know this 1st hand.

    I guess I will keep the Crate for rehearsal-it seems to do a decent job in the practice room.

    Now regarding the head/cab...I've seen several votes for a about a 2x10 and a 15?
    what would be the plusses and minuses of 1 cab vs 2 (besides the obvious weight factor for setting up/breaking down)

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