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"Oak" rosin

Discussion in 'Bows and Rosin [DB]' started by Bob Gollihur, Aug 13, 2001.


  1. Bob Gollihur

    Bob Gollihur GollihurMusic.com

    Mar 22, 2000
    New Joisey Shore
    Big Cheese Emeritus: Gollihur Music
    I've heard good things about the legendary OAK rosin, no longer manufactured. However, I see that Supersensitive is making an Oak rosin for bass and cello.

    Arco has never been my strong point and I am aiming to correct that in the near future, and may as well (re)start with the right tools, which will probably mean a better quality French bow with black hair as well. I have an ancient cake of Pirastro and a year-old sample from Kolstein, and have read recent threads that older rosin isn't as good as newer stuff.

    -zat true? (My 30 yr old Petz still is sticky as hell ;) )

    -anyone try the contemporary Oak rosin?
     
  2. Hey Bob,

    Rosin gets hard and dries out. I don't know anything about the Oak Rosin (new or old), but Kolstein's is supposedly made from the same formula or something as Oak. I've been using a cake of Kolstein soft that Barrie gave me. I like it. It's about the same stickiness as Carlsson but I like the slightly mellower tone I get with the Kolstein. Most everyone I know uses one of the Swedish rosins, Carlsson or Nyman's. Carlsson gets all over the bass, Kolstein doesn't. I hope that helps a little.
     
  3. David,

    There has to be a corralation between the rosin age and the bow hair &(age). I don't know what it is, but I have noticed a distinct lessening of rosin deposit on the string and bass with new hair. I have primarily used Popps rosin on several rehairs and have noticed very little rosin deposit on the strings after each rehair. Also the quality of tone also impoves.

    Mark
     
  4. With my new job and all, I must say I got all excited when I saw the Rosin thread lit up...

    Bob, the differences between Carlson, Nyman, Kolstein and Popps are small, compared to the difference between all of them as a group and Petz.
    I have my own rule on anything bass-related: If you can buy it at a local music store, it isn't very good. (haughty sniff...)
     
  5. Bob Gollihur

    Bob Gollihur GollihurMusic.com

    Mar 22, 2000
    New Joisey Shore
    Big Cheese Emeritus: Gollihur Music
    Definitely; just in search of. Kolstein sent a complimentary small cake of his rosin to me a couple years ago and I've started using it with a new bow I acquired, wood, inexpensive, but pretty nice, and find it is better - I will probably have my old bow rehaired as it has been at least four years since it was last done. I will probably also end up getting one of Kolstein's dual rosin cakes.

    Thanks for the guidance, gents.
     
  6. Mark,

    Brand-spankin'-new hair doesn't hold rosin the same way as older hair does. That's to say, it actually holds it. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't particularly care for brand-new hair. I don't start to like new hair till it's a few days old.
     
  7. David,

    I agree with you. Others have said it takes about three days of usage to "condition" the hair. Also, the quality of the hair used makes a huge difference in the quality of sound that I can produce.I remember reading somewhere that Barrie or his father believed that hair from one part of the tail or hair harvested at a certain time of the year was better.

    Mark
     
  8. Yes, the hair from horses living in cold climates is coarser and therefore grabs better. The strongest part of the hair is from right where it's coming out of the horse. The ends absolutely can't be used as the hair naturally gets thinner and weaker as you get closer to the tip and is further weakened by contact with waste and dirt.
     
  9. He also said hair from a female horse was lesser quality because of urine damage.
    There's no truth to the claim that female horses nag male horses for not lifting the toilet seat.
     
  10. David,

    Which Kolstein rosin are you using? I'm using the Ultra Medium and like it very much.

    B.P.
     
  11. Soft
     
  12. G-force

    G-force

    Jul 1, 2004
    oslo Norway
    HI, Any yous guys have any "old " oak rosin for sale?
    Also what do you think og kolsteins new rosin. I don't like it and am trying to gather info for him which shows this.
    Thanks for the help
    G
     
  13. I posted some information before about breaking in the hair and it is relevant to this thread as well. For brevity's sake just jump to it here:

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1674027#post1674027

    By the way Bob, I'm still digging that new bow. The hair is broken in very well by now. I have black hair on my psaltery bow and it is definitely coarser and grabbier, but it sometimes is overly scratchy too. :)
     
  14. paul

    paul Staff Member Founder Administrator

    Jul 20, 2000
    Texas
    A fellow bass player in the symphony down here was able to get ahold of a cake of the 'old', original, Oak Rosin. Apparently the recipe was bought by someone who's now making it in very limited quantities (home operation). Anyway, the stuff is amazing. I've used almost every kind of rosin out there (settling with Pops for orchestral playing about 8 years ago), but this stuff blows it all away. It's got the bite of pops without the stickyness. It's got grip, but it's totally smooth. I put some on at the head of the concert, played through the first half, and it lasted all the way through Brahms 1'st Symph. in the second half without losing it's power.

    I hope that this rosin will become more widely available, as it was in the past!
     
  15. scott reed

    scott reed Supporting Member

    Nov 4, 2002
    Memphis
    Paul,
    I know bassists who have some "Oak" rosin that they guard
    very carefully. I also discovered there were different grades
    of hardness available! The closest I remember was "Old
    Chicago" rosin but it wasn't quite like Oak. If you could
    share the info on how to get the new stuff I'd appreciate
    it as well as others who've used the old stuff!
     
  16. spacecanoe

    spacecanoe

    Aug 6, 2002
    canaduh
    http://www.gregorianstrings.com/

    check it out theres the guy thats making that rosin. has anyone tried it yet?? for some reason i cant get pdf files opening lately so i dont even know a price or availibilty..someone post up the info if they know:) :hyper:
     
  17. Adrian Cho

    Adrian Cho Supporting Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    Ottawa, Canada
    I have been using it for about six months now and I love it. It's the best rosin I've tried and I've tried Hidersine, Nymans, Carlsson, Pops, Clarity, and Kolstein and probably some others I can't remember. Kolstein was the best thing for me before the Oak. Oak is grippier, produces less gunk, and doesn't have the sizzle sound I would sometimes get with Kolstein. I play on unwound gut on the top two strings. Not surprisingly, Oak works well with gut (which was in use when Oak was originally formulated).
     
  18. Aaron Saunders

    Aaron Saunders

    Apr 27, 2002
    Ontario
    Adrian, can you compare it to Hindersine? I've been using it most of the time (all purpose for a few months on a student German, now using #3 on a newly rehaired French) and this Oak rosin has me very intrigued. I've used Pops for a bit, but can't find my cake of it and there's nowhere locally that sells it, so if I'm ordering online, I might as well check out this stuff since everyone's clamouring over it.
     
  19. spacecanoe

    spacecanoe

    Aug 6, 2002
    canaduh
    im using nymans right now i find it pretty good for my limited skill with arco how do you think it compares?
     
  20. Adrian Cho

    Adrian Cho Supporting Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    Ottawa, Canada
    Aaron, sorry but I can't really compare it to Hidersine. My only experience with Hidersine is that tried using it for a few days and hated it. I can't even remember what grade it was that I had. Oak is nothing like Pops which I personally find way too gunky and gooey especially in warmer weather. The closest thing to Oak would be Kolstein.