Octave Up Fuzz for Note Doubling and Guitar "Sim"?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Nyarlathotep, Aug 5, 2009.


  1. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
    I should try that the next time I whip out my system. It does have a metal zone OD/DS section. Theres actually an EZTone and at least 2 bass/guitar sim presets.

    I tweeked the EZTone one for a really interesting "death metal" sounding thing.

    As far as getting a list of effects, check out the manual: http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=3421&iStcd=4

    Chapter 8 is the guide to all of them.
     
  2. René_Julien

    René_Julien Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Belgium
    I tried that before.

    I can't open the PDF manual. Acrobat asks for a pasword. :confused:
     
  3. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
  4. René_Julien

    René_Julien Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Belgium
    Same thing. :(


    Ow well, nvm.



    Unless you want to type the effects list out for me.


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  5. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
    Its a REALLY big list...... Pretty much 40 pages of stuff. I've tried "re-encoding" it using PDF creator, but that failed. I can output single pages in JPEG format, but that'll take me some time.

    Its strange that it doesn't ask ME for a password. Is your acro reader up to date? Maybe search up google on the problem.
     
  6. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
    Ok. Here goes (long post warning):

    COMP[ressor]
    BOSS Comp Models the BOSS CS-3
    D-Comp Models the MXR DynaComp.
    BOSS Limitr This selects a stereo limiter.
    Rack 160D Models the dbx 160x.
    Vtg Rack U Models the UREI 1178.
    Multi Band
    This limiter lets you divide the input signal into
    four separate bands—ultra low, low, high, and
    ultra high frequency ranges—and apply different
    settings to the low and high frequency ranges.
    You can set the frequencies separating each
    band using the Xover f L, M, and H parameters.
    The limiter is applied neither to the ultra low range,
    which is critical to the bass’s sound, nor to the ultra
    high range, which affects the nuance of the attack.
    Natural
    This compressor is configured using the same
    frequency divisions as Multi Band, but with
    simplified parameter settings.

    O[ver]D[rive]/DS[tortion]
    Booster
    This not only functions as a booster, but also
    produces a clean tone that has punch even
    when used alone.
    Natural
    This is an overdrive sound that provides distortion
    with a natural feeling.
    Bass Driver
    Models the TECH21 SANSAMP BASS DRIVER
    DI.
    Bass OD Overdrive tuned especially for use with basses.
    Blues OD
    This is a crunch sound of the BOSS BD-2.
    This produces distortion that faithfully reproduces
    the nuances of picking.
    Bass DS Distortion tuned especially for use with basses.
    GUV DS This models a Marshall GUV’ NOR.
    Bass MT Wild, radical distortion sound.
    Metal Zone
    This is the sound of the BOSS MT-2.
    It produces a wide range of metal sounds, from
    old style to slash metal.
    Bass FUZZ Fuzz tuned especially for use with basses.
    MUFF FUZZ This models an Electro-Harmonix Big Muff
    π
    .
    HiBandDrive
    With this effect, distortion is applied only to the
    high frequency sounds, and not to the sounds
    in the low frequency range.

    PREAMP
    SUPER FLAT An amp with flat response.
    FLIP TOP Models the Ampeg B-15.
    B MAN Models the Fender Bassman 100.
    CONCERT 810 Models the Ampeg SVT.
    BASS 360 Models the acoustic 360.
    T.E. Models the Trace Elliot AH600SMX.
    SESSION Models the SWR SM-400.
    AC BASS An amp ideal for ACOUSTIC BASS.
    (for bass speakers you got: off, 1x15, 1x18, 2x15, 4x10 and 8x10)
    GTR Clean This is a clean sound that is smooth and warm.
    GTR Crunch
    This is a crunch sound that can faithfully reproduce
    the nuances of picking.
    GTR Drive
    This is a drive sound producing awesome distortion.
    GTR Metal This is a metal sound suited to heavy riffs.
    (for gtr speakers you got: off, 1x8, 1x10, 1x12, 2x12, 4x10, 4x12 and 8x12)

    EQ
    The 2 mids can go from 20Hz to 10KHz centers
    There is also low and high EQs and low and high cuts, where you select a freq and anything above or below that is cut out (mostly). Kindof like crossover filters.

    FX-1/FX-2
    T.WAH Touch Wah (LPF/BPF modes)
    AUTO WAH Auto Wah (LPF/BPF modes)
    SUB WAH Sub Wah
    - CRY WAH
    This models the sound of the CRY BABY wah
    pedal popular in the ‘70s.
    - VO WAH This models the sound of the VOX V846.
    - Fat WAH This is a wah sound featuring a bold tone.
    - Light WAH
    This wah has a refined sound with no unusual
    characteristics.
    - Bass WAH
    This wah has been specially adapted for use in
    the bass registers.
    Inclusion of the low-frequency range in the
    wah sound produces a robust wah effect, with
    no dilution of the sound.
    - Reso WAH
    This completely original effect offers enhancements
    on the characteristic resonances produced
    by analog synth filters.
    SUB COMP Sub Compressor
    - BOSS Comp This models a BOSS CS-3.
    - Hi-BAND
    This is a compressor that adds an even stronger
    effect in the high end.
    Light This is a compressor with a light effect.
    - D-Comp This models a MXR DynaComp.
    - ORANGE
    This is modeled on the sound of the Dan Armstrong
    ORANGE SQUEEZER.
    - Fat
    When applied heavily, this compressor effect
    provides a fat tone with a boosted midrange.
    - Mild
    When applied heavily, this compressor effect
    produces a sweet tone with the high end cut.
    Stereo Comp This selects a stereo compressor.
    SUB LIMITER Sub Limiter
    - BOSS Limitr This selects a stereo limiter.
    - Rack 160D This models a dbx 160X.
    - Vtg Rack U This models a UREI 1178.
    GRAPHIC EQ Graphic Equalizer
    - EQ centers: 31Hz, 62Hz, 125Hz, 250Hz, 500Hz, 1kHz, 2kHz, 4kHz, 8kHz and 16kHz
    PARA EQ Parametric Equalizer (same as the separate EQ module above)
    ENHANCER Enhancer
    TONE MODIFY Tone Modify
    - Fat Fat tone with boosted mid range.
    - Presence Bright tone with boosted high-mid range.
    - Mild Mild tone with the high end cut back.
    - Tight Tone with the low frequencies cut.
    - Enhance Tone with the high frequencies boosted.
    - Resonator 1, 2, 3
    This produces a tone with greater power and
    punch by adding resonance in the low-frequency
    range and midrange.
    BASS SIM. Bass Simulator
    - ‘PAS’>‘ACT’
    Changes from a passive type pickup tone to an
    active type pickup tone.
    - ‘ACT’>‘PAS’
    Changes from an active type pickup tone to a
    passive type pickup tone.
    - ‘SGL’>‘HUM’
    Changes from a single-coil pickup tone to a
    humbucking pickup tone.
    - ‘HUM’>‘SGL’
    Changes from a humbucking pickup tone to a
    single-coil pickup tone.
    - ‘SLD’>‘HLW’
    Changes a solid body bass tone to a hollow
    body bass tone with the body resonance added.
    - ‘SGL’>‘ACO’
    Changes a single-coil pickup tone to an acoustic
    bass tone.
    - ‘HUM’>‘ACO’
    Changes a humbucking pickup tone to an
    acoustic bass tone.
    SLOW GEAR Slow Gear
    DEFRETTER Defretter
    BASS SYNTH Bass Synth (Saw and Square waves w/ filter)
    OCTAVE Octave (basic octave down)
    PITCH SHIFTER Pitch Shifter (allows 1, 2, or 1 left/1 right panned pitch shifting from -2 octaves to +2 in semitone increments. You can blend in the original signal)
    HARMONIST Harmonist (like the Pitch Shift, but harmonized to a key)
    SOUND HOLD Sound Hold
    PHASER Phaser (4, 8, 12 stage and bi-phase phaser>phaser setup)
    FLANGER Flanger
    TREMOLO Tremolo
    ROTARY Rotary (separate slow and fast settings)
    UNI-V Uni-V
    PAN Pan (auto or manual[static])
    SLICER Slicer
    VIBRATO Vibrato
    RING MOD. Ring Modulator (normal/intelligent)
    HUMANIZER Humanizer
    2X2 CHORUS 2x2 Chorus (1 chorus for highs, another for lows)
    SUB DELAY Sub Delay (simple 1.7sec foward delay)

    DELAY
    - Single
    - Pan
    - Dual-S delay>delay
    - Dual-P parallel delays mixed
    - Dual-L/R panned delays
    - Reverse
    - Analog
    - Tape
    - Warp
    - Modulate

    EDIT: durr... theres only the Reverb (Plate, Hall, Room, Spring) and Chorus (pretty simple)

    After that its just the pedal effects. The wahs are pretty much the same as the SUB WAH except that you can customize the Q of each, and the pedal bend is like the pitch shift, but only 1 voice

    EDIT#2: Oh, and there are 4 different "curves" for the volume on this thing.
     
  7. phxlbrmpf

    phxlbrmpf

    Dec 27, 2002
    Germany
    Maybe so, but I thought it sounded terrible. I think I even tried sending the "wet" signal to my guitar player's amp and it didn't sound much better. Your mileage may vary, though.
     
  8. This has been my quest for a while... the whole idea of mixing the octave +1 with fuzz or distortion with the direct signal to back up the guitar during solos...

    POG and POG2 are way to digital and organ-like - even with a fuzz or distortion pedal following, and I've tried several distortions, I run just the octave up along with distortion or fuzz through a loop and dial back the direct signal - but no go

    The Foxrox Octron has one of the best tracking octave downs, but the octave up just doesn't seem to cut it.

    The Boss MB-50B runs into the same problem as the POG - so I continue to search...

    I will now have to look into the HOG + Controller.

    Hmm.
     
  9. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
    ^ That post makes me realize two things. YMMV and sometimes all you need is a little luck :D

    Personally I loved the POG for octave down (which is pretty useless when your lowest string is tuned @ 27.5Hz), but octave up did sound quite organy and digital. The crazy thing is that I have instantly fallen in love with how that sounds after its been fuzzed to the nines.

    Same thing goes for the GT-10B. I pretty much took a chance on it, and its turned out pretty good. I discovered by accident that I prefer using the EQ to kill the lows if I want to instead of getting an octave up to "sim" a guitar. Pretty much allowed me to set up the pitch shift to just be an octave blend for fake chording.
     
  10. René_Julien

    René_Julien Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Belgium
    Thanks Daniel. :)

    I didn't knew the GT-10B had so many features.

    It has guitar amp models... pitch shifter and harmonist... and some "metal" distortion models.
    Might be close enough for guitar sim.


    I really don't know if I should go back to a multi.

    What I need most in band setting is rotary (or tremelo), volume pedal and digital delay.


    I don't know about the HOG yet.
    Seems very awesome, but if it winds up only for solo use I'm not sure about it.

    Around here a HOG + preset controller costs about the same as a GT-10B.
     
  11. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
    If you get to try out a GT-10B, check out the "Metal" EZTone labeled "Powerchord" (or something like that with less vowels).

    Also check out presets P05-3 (guitar solo) and P11-4 (Metal Gtr.Unison) for some idea on how far the GT-10B can go. "Guitar Solo" is like GnR/Slash in a patch :eek:
     
  12. René_Julien

    René_Julien Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Belgium
    Sound cool. :)



    I'm gonna try it... but I think I won't likely get a GT-10B. (I fear POD X3 all over again.)


    I have been thinking about it, I might go with this thing.

    The ME-50 (guitar version)

    I'm gonna try this out. I don't know why I didn't think of this one sooner.

    The ME-50B (bass version) would not provide what I need.
    Because I don't need the "bass specific" effects like overdrives and synths. I already have an awesome compressor and equalizer in my amp rig.

    The guitar version maybe might do it for me.
    Rotary, Uni-V, Vibrato, Tremelo are effects I like and (want to) use in the modulation department.
    And I'm a big fan of delay, especially plain digital. More than enough for me there.
    Volume pedal function is there for me to use.
    OD/DS section: it models the MetalZone, a pedal I like but don't use much anymore.
    The octave +1 works with the pedal... not sure how... like a Whammy. (?)

    And I'm very curious how that acoustic simulator works on bass.
     
  13. rr5025

    rr5025

    Nov 12, 2008
    Alright I have a question. Why the hell did Akai end making pedals like the unibass and Deep Impact? It seems like these are well loved good quality pedals. At the very least they could re release them and raise the MSRP a little. I'm sorry I've just tried to find this answer online and not much luck.

    I am intrigued by this Unibass pedal, hence why I ask.
     
  14. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
    Rene: You will definitely want to try out the guitar version before you buy. Apparently the guitar version of the GT-10 has really crappy tracking on the octave and synth stuff in general, and I imagine that it might extend to other of their multi-fx too.

    Another reason I suggest trying is that you'll want to make sure its able to do "+1 octave bend -> drive" since that seems to be the way the unibass works.
     
  15. I have the ME-50B, the octave up is very similar in sound to the EHX Micro POG/POG except for the fact that it is much more warbly. I was highly disappointed with it.

    I have been curious about checking out the Zoom B2.1U - I hear a lot of good things, but having been through several of the Line 6 offerings, two of the Rocktron offerings, the Boss ME-50B, and Korg in the past, I am very wary of actually doing so - the only thing that makes it appealing to give it a whirl is the fact that the Zoom is such an inexpenive unit.

    Don't know - if anyone has experience with the Zoom, let me know...

    IN the continued search for the Octave up fuzz/"guitar sim" quest, I am looking into two more options to check out next...
    1. Will be demoing a Pigtronix Disnortion, should have it Friday or Monday - will let you all know how that one fairs.
    2. Foxrox Octron or Octron2 - may be picking up one or the other next week.

    There is an Akai Unibass up on Ebay, but it is not in proper working order apparently, and that's the first one I've seen up there in a while. Hmph. We shall see.
     
  16. anechoic

    anechoic

    Oct 31, 2005
    Shirley, MA
    Just a quick heads up for anyone considering the HOG, POG, POG2 or MicroPOG: Music123 is running some sort of 20% off blue tag items, which includes all of the units I just mentioned (as well as several thousand other items - I just ordered the foot controller for my HOG with the discount).

    It's in effect as of September 2, 9:30 pm EST, not sure how much longer it runs.
     
  17. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Inactive

    Feb 5, 2006
    West Coast of Canada
    I have a zoom B2. Not the best unit in the world for doing this as it doesn't track very well. At least for me it doesn't. Plus, it runs drive->octave/pitchshift.

    EDIT: not to turn anyone off getting one. Hell, the cost was the reason I picked it up and its fun to play with!
     
  18. René_Julien

    René_Julien Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Belgium
    Well,... the pitch-shifting would not be that much of an issue for me.
    The ME-50 is cheap and would replace the 3 effects I use the most. (rotary, volume and delay)
    If there might be something else that is a good usable effect on it that's only a bonus.

    (edit: I might go EHX HOG --> BOSS ME-50 --> Goatkeeper2, for all my effect needs)

    Sorry, this was off topic.

    Yes, you're right, it would be impossible to have the ME-50 do what the Unibass does.
    So I'll be on the lookout for a Unibass. (Or get a HOG)
    I agree with rr5025, Akai or someone else should reissue the Unibass.
    But I don't think that would be likely. I assume it's not an easy circuit, it's digital, boutique copies are usual popular analog pedals.
    Unless Line 6 takes a shot at modelling the Unibass. (I brought this to Rich attention in the Line 6 forum. :ninja:)
    But, as much as I like Line 6, I think their tracking for effects that need it (octave and synth) is really crappy.

    But then again... the Unibass is a niche market. I don't think any company would bother with reissueing it when they have to consider the commercial aspect.
    (Much like Digitech doesn't bother making another Bass Whammy.)



    Daniel... (to get back on topic)

    I'm not sure, did you get the GT-10B before or after you started this thread?

    Are you satisfied with what the GT-10B can do in the guitar simulation department, like what you asked for in the OP?
     
  19. René_Julien

    René_Julien Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2008
    Belgium
    Wow, that one is going cheap.


    I'm not into e-bay. :meh:

    I tried to make an account once to take an adventure on that garage-sale... filled everything in properly, but never got the account up and running.
    edit: also in a burst of major dissatisfaction I cleaned out my paypal account.


    If someone here wants to swipe that for me PM me... :)
     
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