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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by rummonkey, Aug 31, 2015.
Could it be MY ears?
Anyone know why there has been a sudden price increase in Mesa Boogie Subway cabinets?
Last month I got a Subway 115 for $749 the going rate for the cabinet at the time. I just checked to see about getting another one and they are now being advertised for $899.
A $150 increase. Just wondering if anyone here knows anything about it before contacting Mesa Boogie.
Yes....It was discussed earlier in this thread....
Thanks. Scrolling back through the threads.
I'm seriously late to this party but, my D800 arrives today and I'm so freaking excited to run it through my GB Neo-X 212 I can hardly stand it. That is all.
I reached out to Mesa Boogie to inquire about the price increase on their products. This is for those that are curious as to why companies sometimes need to increase their prices.
Here is the response I received via email from one of their product specialist.
Thank you for playing MESA Bass gear.
Every year or two we audit each of our products to determine the cost involved to produce them. Unfortunately, the cost of materials and obtaining those materials (especially shipping costs) continues to rise. Our operating costs continue to increase as well, as we are charged more for those necessities of doing business (such as health insurance for our staff). Our suppliers are in the same situation, so they are increasing the price of goods we purchase to build our products. When all of this is taken into account and we look at what it costs us to produce certain products, we do find that from time to time we have to raise prices in order stay in business. We did have a price increase last month that affected a pretty broad group of products.
End of email
I look forward to purchasing the Subway 112.
My sense of it is that California has become a _very_ expensive state in which to do business.
(TB rules say I shouldn't say why that's happening...so I won't.)
Not getting into ANY politics (and this really isn't a politics issue anyway):
There are some good reasons why many places are expensive to do business (especially manufacturing) in. We do have higher costs than many parts of the country, some of these costs are due to a generally good education system that is responsible for the education of everybody designing and building products. We have strong environmental controls (not a bad thing overall), strong workplace safety rules (Cal-OSHA), a higher than average state minimum wage (which affects suppliers and every other cost too), higher than average land and property tax costs, more comprehensive health insurance requirements for those companies who do choose to offer health care, and let's not forget the ever increasing costs of product safety and emc regulatory compliance. Then, there's the cost of purchasing, fabricating and shipping mostly American materials by California labor and trucking (which have their own set of environmental and regulatory hurdles, and the costs of maintaining a comprehensive quality control and service department (including legacy parts) that still services amps that we built over 40 years ago.
Some companies are not as "full service" at this, it is one of the trade-offs between cost and customer service/support. For those who believe in high quality domestically produced products and long term support, yes it does cost more to produce them which is why they cost more. There is this business model which works for us and our customers, but there are also other business models (including the disposable product model) that appear to work well for other companies. You as a customer need to choose which model fits you the best, remembering not to be hypocritical, and that other customer's choices may be better for their needs and not suit yours.
I hope this helps the understanding.
I know a lot of people got kinda huffy when the prices went up. The 112 went up to $749, but I then posted this (it's a few pages back but I'll gladly cut/paste here).
In the grand scheme, considering the quality and support you get from Mesa, $749 is not bad.
Subway 112 = $749, includes 5 year transferrable warranty and a cover.
Barefaced BB2 = $1100 or so after import duties. 3 year non-transferrable warranty.
Bergantino HDN112 = $849
Genzler 112 Array = $879
Epifani 112 = $899
Aguilar SL112 = $749
Well said. For me the higher cost of the Mesa stuff is worth it. I got my D-800 and SW115 before the cost increase, but even so... in general when buying high ticket items I try to focus on value more than just price.
About that Barefaced tho... It's made in the UK, and I'm not sure there are any higher costs than there - taxes are off the chain, they have NHS, and I recall the Pres of Ashdown some time ago telling me about how the costs are inherently increased by the unions. Plus, there is trans-atlantic shipping and duties.
Hope I'm not violating the injunction against talking politics by saying this much...
State policy (budget, taxation, regulation) gets decided through a political process. If that process prioritizes good intentions without due regard for costs imposed by the initiatives, and the political dynamic inhibits candid admission that a well-intended initiative has failed to generate the desired benefits, the tendency over time will be for very expensive government, as layer on layer of costs accumulate. Some of the costs will seem to come from the private sector, but will actually originate in the public sector.
I can't really say about the cabinets, but the Subway heads are still highly competitive price wise, and better than most of the similarly priced Class D heads out there. It wasn't that long ago that I bought a Strategy head ($2,500), my original M-Pulse 600 was at least $1,600, the Carbine M6 was probably close to $1,500. $900 doesn't seem that outrageous. This gear should last a LONG time. I've had my M-Pulse for 15 years now. If you amortize the cost, that's only $100/year. Too bad we can't buy gear by the year, like software.......
I sold the Strategy head and bought a D800 and then D800+. I now use the D800 for backup, hard to live without the HPF once you get used to having it (just ordered a Broughton HPF for the D800). I used to carry two 50 lb. amps (I never do a gig without backup), now the two heads fit in the front seat of my car: I tried that with the Strategy once, and the seat belt alarm was going off cause my car thought I had a small child in the passenger seat........
That'll confuse the mods!....
I'm sure Mesa will enjoy their new facilities in West by God.
While I can't click the 'Like' button (because I don't like it), I can certainly agree with your assessment. :-(
Once again, props to @agedhorse. Whatever you do, get Speakons with genuine Neutrik connectors. I have one good one, one knock-off and last night traced the intermittent crackling from my Subway rig to the knock-off cable. Ordering a second genuine today.
Good call. Not sure if there's any science or technical accuracy to this, but...I've got one genuine speakon-speakon cable and one 1/4"-Speakon cable. I use an adaptor (speakon with female 1/4" input) on the latter cable. It seems to me like there is some loss in quality/signal with the adaptor cable. It is also an older cable, so there are multiple factors in play, but I wonder if a new speakon-speakon cable would be better...
Yup, even though the genuine Neutrik connectors are made in a country with high costs (Lichtenstein) they remain a much better value than the inferior "knock-off" products produced in countries with lower costs. Value is a much different metric than cost.
Assuming that the connectors are solid and operated within reasonable limits, there shouldn't be any practical difference. Of course, if there are problems with the connectors, or if they are being operated at high power levels into low impedance loads, such defects might become obvious.
Just ordered. I am almost certain it was the connectors, too, not the cable part, just because of the sketchy way they fit in and twist as compared to the genuine Neutriks.