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Official Mesa Boogie Subway Series Club

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by rummonkey, Aug 31, 2015.

  1. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    I send the Noble to FOH.
    No shot at the Mesa DI, it also sounds very good, but the tone quality from the Noble is better to my ears.
  2. red_rhino

    red_rhino Gold Supporting Member

    According to what I've read here, the owner plans to keep Gelb open. The SF store is closing due to changing demographics. It's become a tourist stop but nobody is buying.

    Ed Cagnacci was (and I'm sure still is) a great guy. I bought a lot of basses there over the years. Ed knew his clientele and I always enjoyed spending an afternoon there chatting with him and trying out the latest gear. Definitely high-end heaven for bass players, but alas, no more.

    Still, the staff there is very nice and they do have the full complement of Mesa bass gear on-hand. I spent several hours in there a couple of months ago A/B'ing the D800+ and WD-800, as well as the all the SW cabs in different combinations. You can read 1000 pages of TB posts on a subject, but nothing beats hands-on for deciding what you like and what you don't.
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  3. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    Ed was the man for sure. I bought those items I listed above from him at Gelb. I believe I was told he had moved to Portland (?).
    My attitude changed when they changed hands because of an issue that came up when I wanted to order another Mike Lull ... a P4 to go with my M4V.

    About 9 years ago, just after HA Music bought Gelb, I went in to the shop to check out gear in general, and discuss ordering the P4. When I asked about ordering the Lull, the desk guys didn't know anything about it, and referred me to the manager, who was not around when I was there. Ok fine ... I left my name and number and asked for the manager to call me back. I waited about 10 days, then called them back myself. Spoke to someone at the desk, and said what I wanted to do .. order a Lull P4. This new person took my info and promised someone would call me back the same day to take care of the order. Call never came and I found a MIJ '51 P reissue locally and that was that. Very poor handling of a customer who spent pretty solid coin at the shop.

    I have gone back to Gelb about twice since then and noticed that they really reduced their range of high end gear. They do still carry Mesa gear, as well as some Bergantino stuff (but not the NV212T I was looking for recently). And there is no one there who focuses on bass gear any more like Ed C did. My business goes elsewhere these days.
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  4. _Some Dude

    _Some Dude

    Sep 14, 2016
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  5. FirewalZ


    Aug 14, 2014
    S.E. Michigan
    Quick Pic from this past Saturday's gig.....a couple local player were out and commented on the clairity;) BTW, we bundled all our mic cables into a few small snakes, like you see ran in front of the 2x12....saves at least 30 mins.

  6. gustobassman

    gustobassman I'm only here for the after party.. Supporting Member

    Mar 31, 2011
    Sandy Eggo
    It's taken me a while but I finally found the WD-800 "sweet spot" settings for reggae. Don't get me wrong - I've had great tone since I bought the thing... but I felt the D800+ was slightly "tighter" if that makes sense. Well, that amp is gonna get REALLY lonely now. All the knob fiddling has made me realize how much extra "work" the voicing knob does on the D800 and D800+. The simplicity on those amps can't be beat, but the WD is a champ in its own weight class. Mandatory crappy cell phone shot from the gig last night...

  7. MTN.bass72

    MTN.bass72 Supporting Member

    Jan 9, 2010
    Blue Ridge, Ga
    What's the orange pedal on top?
  8. FirewalZ


    Aug 14, 2014
    S.E. Michigan
    That would be a Diamond compressor....they really shine with a passive Fender. Looks orange probably because of the stage lighting.
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  9. Element Zero

    Element Zero Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2016
    Ah. Refreshing to see someone else has discovered the little eq secrets... shhhhhhh.
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  10. Iv@N


    Jun 8, 2008
    Münster, Germany
    Boost @ 80hz = Massive :D
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  11. gustobassman

    gustobassman I'm only here for the after party.. Supporting Member

    Mar 31, 2011
    Sandy Eggo
    ;) :thumbsup:

    Also slight bump @ 200, bass flat, passive mid at noon... and a few other things - but I've already said way too much. :roflmao:
  12. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Apr 2, 2008
    Huntington WV
    Yeah. Actually, that's one of the reasons I bought the WD-800 when I was already very happy with the 800+. I really wanted that third semi-para band, so I could goose that "upper bass" region.
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  13. Overdrive777


    May 29, 2006
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Endorsing Artist: Mesa/Boogie
    I just LOVE my WD800!!!:) Sounds Amazing!!

    Just a question: today when I used my amp, I put it through my ordinary cab (RR410), and then I also put a cable from the effects send to my sound card. But when I put the jack in the send, the volume dropped a bit in the cab. Is that normal?? Never tried that before..
  14. MesaBoogie


    May 14, 2013
    Petaluma, California
    Customer Service/Product Specialist: Mesa Boogie
    Also - here at the shop when we add caster plates to a cab that does not have them standard, we add some blocking material inside the cab, so there is more material for the screws to bite into. Without it, its possible that damage to the cab will occur if the wheels take a hit hard enough.
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  15. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    The difference should be very small unless your sound card has a low impedance input (some combination mic/line inputs allow the line input impedance to be pretty low). The output impedance is 1K at the effects send, which results in a loss of 0.17dB driving a 47k load, 0. 0.38dB driving a 22k load and about 0.8dB driving a 10k load. You might be able to hear the .8dB drop if you listen for it but in practice it's not an issue and it doesn't affect the tone in the slightest as the output is buffered from the circuitry. I doubt anybody could recognize a 0.17 or 0.38dB drop.

    Now, if your sound card shares the mic terminating impedance with the line input, you could see something as low as 4.7k input impedance (maybe even lower) and this would result in a loss of 1.7dB which I would expect to be audible (though still won't affect the tone). Another possibility is that if you are driving 2 inputs on your sound card paralleled, that too would lower the input impedance, though most sound cards (or interfaces) have internal circuitry to perform this function without the additional loading.

    10k is the minimum standard input impedance for a line level input. Why not make the output impedance lower? The 1k output impedance actually serves several simultaneous purposes, the first being that it protects the output from short circuits, the second is that it isolates the output from highly reactive loads (yes, there are all kinds of goofy outboard devices that have bizarre circuitry that either needs to be driven or protected against, and the third is that it provides some level of protection as well as safety if somebody plugs a device such as a DC driven footswitch, or if there is a failure in the device being driven. In all the years that I have been using this circuit (including in mixing consoles), I have never seen any damage of failure of a send configured this way, so presumably it's highly effective.
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  16. 4Mal

    4Mal Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Columbia River Gorge
    It is NRD around Chez 4mal today. Subway D-800 on GK 212, neo series 2. Nice and thick... I’ll be anchoring my electo’coustic trio with it Saturday eve. First non-GK amp I have bought in a damn long time.
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  17. Why not use the D.I. out?
  18. Overdrive777


    May 29, 2006
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Endorsing Artist: Mesa/Boogie
    Thank you for your replies!:)
    Let me just be more clear. The “sound card” I was referring to is a HX Stomp which I use both live with the 4CM for Cab IR and in the studio as a sound card.
    I believe the volume went down (like from passive to active in the front) when I just put a jack cable in the effects send jack without the other end connected so I don’t think the Stomp has to do anything with it.
    What I do now is to raise the output volume and all is ok. I was just wondering if the was normal or not.
  19. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa, Product Support-Genz Benz
    There shouldn't be any difference without the other end connected.
  20. zenrad

    zenrad Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2009
    Bergen County, NJ
    It worked out very well and I was able to move the feet. Thanks again for the tip @agedhorse :thumbsup:


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