Ok...F# capable cabs!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Brendan, Oct 29, 2001.

  1. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Hey hey hey! I finally found a job that suits me (i.e. after school, and not too insanely late).

    And, I'm about 90% sure I'm getting a Conklin GT-7, strung F#-C, and I know that F#s are notorious for being power hungry and needing some serious lows...

    SO! I'm (tenativly) on the hunt for a cab that could handle a F#! First question on deck is: I'm looking at a 2x15 cab, would this do? Or should I look at more along the lines of a 18? (Entertaining though: Bag End sells a 2x18 cab! :eek: ) I'm already looking into some poweramps and crossover units to help with the process, but I really want to just get the full effect of an F# string.
  2. Eric Cioe

    Eric Cioe Supporting Member

    Jun 4, 2001
    Holland, MI
    JT plays thru nice F# cabs, i have played 5 string thru them, and i love em.

    Yamaha SW118 1x18 cabinet. 500 watts program, 1000 watts peak.

    you could get one for around 400 dollas
  3. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    yep, the yamahas do a fine job, they're light and easily mobile, and they are fairly cheap.

    of course, if you wanna blow a couple grand on a glorified sub, you could get the bag end stuff - the elf + the 18 closed box woofer is THE solution for the low frequencies, but they're a bit pricey.
  4. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    So a yammer 118 is a good way to go? Jeez. That was easy. Maybe I should ask about some crossover units then? I'm looking to get a poweramp, and hook it up to the pre-amp of my WT-300 (which I'm told I can do), and then have the crossover unit handle the signal, whilst I get some booty shaking bottom for fairly cheap. (In comparison to getting a whole new rig)
  5. BassMan2000


    Sep 27, 2000
    Yea the new house I moved into had a bass tech for Pearl Jam who is now working for Sony and stuff. He had a Conklin with a F#s and let me play it through 2x18 custom ones he made. omg it almost made me fall over lol.
  6. LarryG


    Oct 30, 2001
    Anyone know the weight of the Yamaha SW118?


  7. I used the Yamaha SW118 cab all night last night. My drummer bought a Godin bass and this cabinet for his amusement.

    The SW118 is pretty big, and much more deep than tall or wide. It's pretty much square on the baffle board, and bottom ported. Surprisingly, the weight isn't nearly as much as the visual impression suggests and the cab appears manageable. I did not transport it, and am making that observation from moving it around on stage.

    The 18" driver moves outward when a positive voltage is applied. I had to reverse the phasing of my Speakon-to-Phone adapater to get it correctly phased with my subs.

    The SW118 is a nice performer in that it is loud and punchy. It also has a marked rolloff in the lower end, from about A on down. Low E on my MIM P is very noticeably weaker when compared to C and higher notes. The SW118 doesn't have the low end of my subs, but it is substantially louder.

    Turning the crossover from 125 Hz to 7000 Hz reveals some high frequency coloration and nasal quality in the upper frequencies. IMO this is not a problem, as the SW118 is designed as a sub to be bi-amped and not run full range. The recommended crossover point is 90 Hz. The frequency response spec is 30 to 2,000 Hz.

    My drummer paid $249 for the SW118 on closeout. If I were going to haul something this big (9.9 cubic feet) I would also consider a JBL 2245, an Eminence Delta Pro 15, or the TAD TL-16xx series for 5-string. The Eminence Sigma Pro 18 and Magnum 18HO are both acceptable for 4-string. These drivers all live in big cabinets, have the same SPL as SW118, and offer lower frequency extension. This is a big-ass cab to haul around.
  8. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    it is very light, considering.

    wow, what subs are you using to compare? i'd be interested in trying out some others that are comparable in size.

    it's not really that bad for me. your driver suggestions, are these for replacement drivers for the yamaha cab? will these increase the low F# response? like i've said before, i've been pretty happy with the stock cab's performance, but i'm always open to tweaking.
  9. bassmanjones

    bassmanjones Guest

    Feb 23, 2002
    Boston, MA
    How about the Bag End ELF system, doesn't that go down to 21Hz?
  10. LJW

    LJW Guest

    Feb 8, 2002
    northeastern pa.
    Bag End lists ELF-1 systems at 8Hz +/-3db.
  11. The Yamaha is much louder than my subs (89 vs 96 SPL). That +7dB is seriously louder. I run a pair of Rockford RFR-2215 as 1x15 in 5.4 cubic feet. I didn't know about the Adire Maelstrom 18" drivers when I built my subs, so I used the Rockfords. The Maelstrom is about 95 SPL in the same cabinet size. The optimum tuning for both the Rockford and Maelstrom is 23 Hz... right in line with your low F#.

    I can't abide cabinets any larger than what I have now (20 x 20 x 31 external), so that leaves out the JBL 2245, etc, for me. My next subs will be constructed using the Adire drivers. RFR-2215 are no longer in production, and the replacement drivers are even less efficient, so they are unacceptable for my needs.

    To clarify, I really enjoyed playing the big Yamaha. It has plenty of noise and plenty of punch. My post above is a seat of the pants experience with using it for an evening. Since it belongs to my drummer, I can get it back again when I have some free time to put it on the test bench.
  12. Suburban


    Jan 15, 2001
    lower mid Sweden
    A couple of other cabs to look at:
    Tech Soundworks ND118DCMT (18"+10"+tweeter=fullrange!)
    Tech S ND115DCT (15+tweet)
    Tech S ND410T
    Tech S ND412T
    FliteSound 18B
    Peavey 810TVX

    These are all low shooters. Except Peavey, they weigh less than the YamSW118. Interesting to me, anyway.

    Edit: ooops, read the specs of the wrong Yam! Need to add Tech Soundworks ND212T and FliteSound123W, and also Acoustic Images, to that list.
    If you can handle 5, 10 or 20 kgs more, there are a few from Peavey, Hartke and EBS.
    But,,,,US residents, look inte FliteSound, europeans spend your first look at Tech!
  13. IMO, the Flite specs are complete B.S. as they are *so* much better than all the competitors.

    An owner of a Flite cab told me Flite uses off the shelf Eminence speakers that are available to the public... and I have all those Eminence speakers cataloged, and NONE will do the kind of performance claimed by Flite.
  14. Suburban


    Jan 15, 2001
    lower mid Sweden
    Seems you need to try one or two...don't you think?
    Then you can change the IMO to IME! That's cool!

    And I'd be much obliged to hear your personal findings. As I, thus far, only heard great reviews. No, alas, I haven't heard the boxes myself. Not even those low freq's travel over the Atlantic...:mad:
  15. SRSiegel

    SRSiegel Guest

    Sep 17, 2001
    Ann Arbor, Michigan
    i was just reading about the adire maelstrom subwoofer driver. now that is medecine for a sub bass addict such as myself! i would be very curious to hear from an (unbiased) source how those perform. i read an add that states 105 dB SPL at 20 Hz in a 22" cube sealed box....
  16. No.

  17. fretlesscjl

    fretlesscjl Guest

    Mar 26, 2002
    St Louis, Mo
    I guess it all depends on ho woutrageous you feel like getting here. http://www.servodrive.com/servo/cb.shtml should do the trick. Its supposed to be flat to 14HZ and put out 114Db @ 16Hz. I'm not sure if you want to be around for that very long, but you know what the heck. Its a servo drive speaker!
  18. Brendan


    Jun 18, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Aint this old...needless to say, the GT-7 never happened....not to say that it won't...:)
  19. Wxp4759cb


    Nov 23, 2000
    Columbia, MO
    Whoa! that servodrive sub looks awesome! How much do those cost? Probably alot.....:(