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Okoume and MonkeyPod

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by Rapisme, May 15, 2020.


  1. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
    I hope this is the right section in which to post? Mods please correct if not.

    So I wandered into the land of getting a build going. Little did I know that there is so much to learn. Namely about woods and they’re tonal characteristics.

    So while browsing the evil bay I wandered into that land of wood sellers. I know I should’ve referenced this forum first. But I’m a firm believer in happy accidents.
    So while on the browse I ask the seller about core wood and top wood for a build. Something along the lines of a budget build ergo the Sire’s or Squiers of the world. He thought I was being persnickety and immediately gave me the schtick about a profit losing proposition on his part giving me way to much time and information as he presented an Okoume billet core along with a maple top.
    When I asked if he could change the core wood to something else? Cause me being a nube my feeling was Fender discontinued manufacturing basses with that wood? ( Correct me if I’m wrong folks ) His reply was an I quote “I’m not offended. There’s just a limit to how much time/money I can spend on a negative profit order.“
    Justifiable cause I’m always looking for the best deal I can get my hands on.
    Now before you read up to this point and say you should go somewhere else and get what you want! Which the seller told to me to do as well. I had a feeling this guy knew a lot and I would default to his expertise.

    Ok so what he said he sold me was a 2pc QS billet of Mahogany and a 2pc QS Monkeypod top. Now the Mahogany seems to be a 1 pc solid. Has anyone here ever used Monkeypod wood in their builds. If so how was it to work with and more importantly what tonal characteristics does it present. Whew sorry for the long winded back story but I’m really intent to hear some experiences as well as hear about why Okuome is no longer used?

    Thanks TB.
     

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  2. bass12

    bass12 Say "Ahhh"...

    Jun 8, 2008
    Montreal, Canada
    Sadowsky still uses okoume as an alternative to mahogany. They also use monkeypod for tops on occasion. Here’s an example of a Sadowsky with both (the “mahogany” is actually okoume): 6484
     
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  3. Scoops

    Scoops Why do we use base 10 when we only have 8 fingers Supporting Member

    Oct 22, 2013
    Sugar Creek, Wisc
    Monkey pod and African Mahogany have very similar physical characteristics

    I've seen many guitars and basses mad out of Monkey Pod, so you will be ok

    I really like the grain on the pieces you have
     
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  4. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
    That’s Kool! Thanks


    That’s a relief and very reassuring. I just had to add:D “Mad out of MonkeyPod” so is it very rare:thumbsup:. Sorry I just couldn’t help myself as I’m getting older:roflmao:.

    Just kidding and Thanks for sharing.
     
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  5. rojo412

    rojo412 Sit down, Danny... Supporting Member

    Feb 26, 2000
    Cleveland, OH.
    Say... this looks familiar ;)
     
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  6. HaMMerHeD

    HaMMerHeD

    May 20, 2005
    That's definitely a 2-piece billet.

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  7. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
    Oh WOW! Like I said I’m a nube at this to my naked eye it looked like a solid piece but I defer to the experts:thumbsup:
     
  8. HaMMerHeD

    HaMMerHeD

    May 20, 2005
    It's a good grain match. You can usually tell from the end-grain though. It usually ends up looking like

    \\\///

    or

    )))(((

    or

    ((()))

    But if it's perfectly quartersawn (yours doesn't appear to be, and that's OK, it really doesn't have to be), then the end grain may look like a single piece too.
     
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  9. Low8

    Low8 Supporting Member

    Mar 30, 2014
    +1 on Sadowsky's concoctions using okuome and monkeypod. Their monkeypod tops look great.
     
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  10. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
    :thumbsup: @rojo412 :)
     
  11. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
    Would love to hear more about the way those woods sound as a All maple neck and board wood combination.
     
  12. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
    Is it quartersawn? And thanks for explanation as I’m constantly trying to learn more.
     
  13. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME


    Wow that second bass looks stunning I wish somebody would have played it.
     
  14. HaMMerHeD

    HaMMerHeD

    May 20, 2005
    It looks like it's nearly there. If you can provide a photo of the end-grain, it'd be easier to tell.
     
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  15. bass12

    bass12 Say "Ahhh"...

    Jun 8, 2008
    Montreal, Canada
    Just to reiterate, okoume is not actually mahogany.
     
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  16. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
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  17. HaMMerHeD

    HaMMerHeD

    May 20, 2005
    Well, I can't be completely sure because the saw marks are obscuring the grain somewhat, but the Okoume looks flatsawn, and the monkeypod looks nearly quartersawn, but closer to riftsawn. Regardless, it's very nice wood and I think it'll make a cool looking bass body.

    It's really not important at all that the body be quartersawn with grain perfectly perpendicular to the face. It's important that it be strong and stable, and that it looks good.

    IMO, YMMV, etc.
     
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  18. Beej

    Beej

    Feb 10, 2007
    Vancouver Island
    A dark layer between the top and body would look great with those woods IMHO. Walnut, or a black veneer for example. :)
     
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  19. Rapisme

    Rapisme Supporting Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    RAPISME
    Thanks for the reply as the seller indicated to me that they were QS pieces. Idk how to feel about that ATM but the process has started so there’s goes nothing. I hate being cynical but I just can’t help it when a seller misrepresents. But I’m hopeful it will turn out Great despite this slight bummer.
     
  20. HaMMerHeD

    HaMMerHeD

    May 20, 2005
    Again, the saw marks make it kinda hard to tell. If you have a miter saw, you can zip off the ends and get a cleaner picture and it'll be easier to tell.
     
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