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OLD GK vs. NEW GK

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by silvertripper, May 11, 2011.


  1. silvertripper

    silvertripper Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    Houston, TX
    So about 10 years ago I bought a 1001RB and I played it for nearly all of those 10 years. Is was punchy, plenty of tone, cut like a knife, sounded like a typical GK. I also played with a Fender MIA Jazz with a 410 and a 115. One of the best bass tones Ive ever heard or had imo.

    Last night I went to hear my friends band practice (they are rather inexperienced but its all good) and the bass rig sounded extremely "Flubby" and lifeless. It was seriously one of the worst sounding bass rigs I've heard. I would even make the stretch and say the bass tone made the band sound bad. At the end of their session their bassist asked me for some advise and if I could help him get a better sound from his rig. Im always happy to help! He was playing with a "NEW" 1001RBII, a 210 and a 212, Corvette Standard. I tried everything in my book to get better tone and although I did sharpen his rig, it still sounded "flubby". Kinda like the sound of strings that are so loose they dont sustain or have "bite".

    And now I'm asking myself, does the older GK stuff sound better than the new? Or is it possibly his Corvette Standard doesnt cut the mustard? Im seriously at a loss why I couldnt dial in a better sound. It just sounded so lifeless... flub.. flubby... flubbidy flub flub...

    Old GK VS. New GK... anyone have experience and can shed some light on this.



    OLD GK 1001RB
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    NEW 1001RBII
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  2. maybe it's not the amp but the cab combination (phasing issues) and the room acoustics.
     
  3. N.F.A.

    N.F.A.

    Jun 25, 2009
    In a blue funk
    Dead strings?
     
  4. silvertripper

    silvertripper Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    Houston, TX
    He said the strings were a month old.

    4 ohms
     
  5. silvertripper

    silvertripper Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    Houston, TX
    He also had like 10 pedals of which 8 he never used. So I suggested taking all the pedals out of the chain and adding one at a time in the event he had a faulty pedal or cord.
     
  6. georgestrings

    georgestrings Banned

    Nov 5, 2005
    IME, the G-K stuff currently being made is their best ever...


    - georgestrings
     
  7. 4Mal

    4Mal Supporting Member

    Jun 2, 2002
    Columbia River Gorge
    +1

    I've had 2 1001 RB II's and they both punched like Ali. My current MB2-500 punches like his little bro ...(uh, did Mohammed actually have a little bro ? Google is your friend :D no. Well Sugar Ray then ...)

    After the amp settings, A string of 10 pedals ? that would be where I looking for answers ...
     
  8. Sundogue

    Sundogue

    Apr 26, 2001
    Wausau, WI
    You know the ol' saying..."All things being equal..."

    In this case the only things equal are the heads. Everything else is different. Just a matter of the process of elimination.
     
  9. ddbassGA

    ddbassGA Supporting Member

    Nov 15, 2010
    Athens, GA
    That's the opposite of my experience.
     
  10. stingray56funk

    stingray56funk Supporting Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta
    +1
     
  11. There was a thread where a 700rbII owner a-b'd their amp with an old(?) 800rb, and after EQing found both sounding identical with the exception of the 700rbII being slightly more versatile with it's 4/5 string button.
     
  12. Rockman

    Rockman

    Mar 2, 2006
    Not even, different generations of the same model does not identical make.
     
  13. I like the older 400RB and 800RB better.
     
  14. There is a difference in wattage but I think the old and new heads are 'identical' enough to make the difference more attributable to a Fender MIA Jazz vs a Corvette Standard + pedal(s) and also there's the cabs to consider.
     
  15. GK is very perceptive depending on personal experience. Of coarse you have the old school purists that insist an old block of wood p bass from fullerton sounds/plays better than a new Lakland made with *cough* precision *cough cough* simply because its older. Then you have guys that swear by the new squiers and guys who swear AT new squiers. Bias?

    Anywhoo, my 1001rbII has been all over the place and has yet to let me down in any department. I've under powered it, dropped it, cranked it, you name it. It still sounds amazing regardless of which bass I run through it or how I tweak the knobs. However, the sound does dramatically vary from cab to cab. I've ran it with several different configs, some of which sounded amazing and others very very bad. I would place blame on the other factors given GK's rep. Then agian, could be a pickle...errrr...lemon
     
  16. deeptubes

    deeptubes

    Feb 21, 2011
    Virginia Beach
    I bought a new, old stock 1001RB-II about a year ago. Then, it was 3 or 4 years old, still in the original, unopened box. I freaking love that thing! It pushes my SWR Workingman's Tower 8x10 very nicely. Together, they make your bones vibrate! When I crank up my rig, crap falls from the ceiling, no matter where I am. NO EXAGGERATION!
     
  17. It is definitely not the guy's 1001rb-II. Take your 1001rb to one of his practices and then swap it with his 1001-II. You will be surprised at how bad your 1001rb will sound and then you will see just how much of a difference a bass and cabs and room can make taken together.
     
  18. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    Pedals! A friend of mine used a handful of pedals and his tone was pretty muffled and stuffy. He came to one of my gigs and was amazed how clean my sound was. I told him I don't use pedals of any kind.
     
  19. silvertripper

    silvertripper Supporting Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    Houston, TX
    I figured the heads would be comparable and alike... Just wanted to know from the rbii users. I'm thinking (a) the bass, (b) bad cord, (c) bad pedal, (d) all of the above.

    Thanks for the responses guys. My old 1001rb was bullet proof for sure.
     
  20. I second the pedals. Get those bad boys into an effects loop, radial or barge concepts, get them out of the signal chain when they are not engaged. They don't have to be "bad" to suck tone.
     

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