old maple anyone?

Discussion in 'Setup & Repair [DB]' started by LouisF, Jan 9, 2009.

  1. LouisF

    LouisF Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Los Angeles, CA
    We're not having much luck finding a satisfactory piece of old maple for the back of the Tyrol restoration (other thread here). Nick's rejected two pieces of "new" wood already.

    Any church pews out there? Barn doors? Bridges?

    He wants to carve a round back (smallish 3/4). We'd also look walnut, poplar, pear, chestnut and/or willow, I assume. I think (and I'm speculating here) that he's trying to match some quality in the orginal ribs/top etc that he just isn't getting in the pieces he's seen - and since he primarily makes violins, the pieces his own collection of woods are too small.

    If you have or no of something please let me know or pm me with prices etc

    Thanks very much

    Louis
     
  2. Jake deVilliers

    Jake deVilliers Commercial User

    May 24, 2006
    Crescent Beach, BC
    Owner of The Bass Spa, String Repairman at Long & McQuade Vancouver
    Try Bruce at Orcas Island Tonewoods
     
  3. LouisF

    LouisF Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Los Angeles, CA
    Thanks!
     
  4. uptonbass

    uptonbass Proprietor, Upton Bass String Instrument Co.

    Oct 8, 2002
    Mystic CT
    Founder UptonBass.com
    Hi Louis,

    How old is old? What cut, grain pattern and figure are you looking for? For some insight; what were reasons behind the rejection of the other pieces?

    Are you REALLY looking for maple, chances are you do want an acer BUT which one is the trick. "Looking for maple" to me is almost as vague as looking for wood.

    Are you attempting to match the ribs, scroll etc? email me a pic.

    Happy New Year my friend.

    Gary
     
  5. LouisF

    LouisF Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Los Angeles, CA
    Gary,

    Thanks. I'll pass the questions on to Nick (I don't know nothin' 'bout birthing babies, Miz Scarlet)

    Thanks alot -- and Happy New year.

    Best,

    Louis
     
  6. RCWilliams

    RCWilliams Commercial User

    Apr 23, 2007
    Merriam Kansas (Kansas City)
    owner RC Williams Co. LLC
    what are the issues for selection? if the origin of the wood is not an issue, you might check with the companies tat are pulling hardwoods off the bottom of lake superior and the like, then you could get some old growth wood that might be acceptable.
     
  7. "sinkers" were my first thought as well...if the selection is for texture than that would be the path to follow. i suspect a vintage appearence may be the criteria,but perhaps both. trouble is..even as i saw 425 yr. old w.oak it evident that it is fresh sawn and i believe the sinkers resaw the same. they do have some interesting color and stain though. still worth investigating.
     
  8. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    do you guys know a tonewood dealer that deals with sinkers?
     
  9. LouisF

    LouisF Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Los Angeles, CA
    I'll pass on the sinker suggestion (does that sound Like I think it does?? :)), but Nick thinks he has a source coming to namm - that might have something. I think texture was a big issue.

    More in a bit. Thank you all. We'll make you honorary bass godfathers!

    Louis
     
  10. D.R google "sunken logs" it will be most likely easier to find a log dealer with tonewood than tonewood dealer with sinkers;)
     
  11. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005
    thanks, you may have a point
     
  12. 1st Bass

    1st Bass

    May 26, 2005
    Forest Grove, OR
    I think "timeless timber" or something similar was one of the outfits selling stuff they harvested from the bottom of the Great Lakes...but I have never heard anything from anyone having used the stuff.
     
  13. Caoimhín

    Caoimhín Langer

    Jul 26, 2007
    Wicklow, Ireland
    Excuse my ignorance but what exactly are sinkers?

    Are they logs that are taken from lakes? If they are doesn't that mean that they would have to be dryed out for years yet to come before they would be workable??
     
  14. 1st Bass

    1st Bass

    May 26, 2005
    Forest Grove, OR
    Yep, that's a sinker, all right...

    Saturated is saturated-- once they are pulled up and milled, evidently they dry just fine, and some people get very high prices for them. Strangely, I have yet to hear any reports of instruments made from the stuff...maybe it is great-- maybe it is lousy.

    Dunno.
     
  15. robobass

    robobass

    Aug 1, 2005
    Cologne, Germany
    Private Inventor - Bass Capos
    Man, you guys are showing amazing restraint today!
     
  16. I've heard a couple acoustic guitars made from the stuff and they are phenomenal. Its been a while since Ive actually seen or heard one so I cant give a good description of tone, but I remember saying "wow!" when I head it. There's a place in town where they have a supply of that wood and makes these guitars maybe if I get a chance all go talk to them about it.
     
  17. Dr Rod

    Dr Rod

    Aug 19, 2005

    I think Al Jackstadt uses sinker wood, his basses sound great.
     
  18. RCWilliams

    RCWilliams Commercial User

    Apr 23, 2007
    Merriam Kansas (Kansas City)
    owner RC Williams Co. LLC
    there are those who actually soak their wood in mysterious solutions to enhance it's performance as a tone wood. I guess the idea is to get the sugars out ot the wood, and reduce the ammounts of resin and other things which require a long time to set up. we did some experomentation with that kind of thing with fiddles a few years back. much of this sort of stuff falls under the heading of violin voodoo
     
  19. MollyKay

    MollyKay

    Sep 10, 2006
    Southern PA
    Bass Hobby'ist