One cabinet for stoopid loud gigs...options?

An Epifani UL 210 would work also well in that situation. About the same footprint, a bit lighter (38 lbs), slightly better sensitivity numbers. Comes in either 4 or 8 ohms.

I recently used a borrowed one (8-ohms) with a Focus on a seriously loud upright gig and was very pleased with my tone at high volume (a UL 110 is my usual cab for upright).

An EA CXL 112 will get surprisingly loud, too, though it's as heavy as the NL 210, if a little cheaper.

 

Chris,

I can't speak to the actual spl of one NL-210 vs. two VL-208's, but I've been using my 210 on my extremely loud wedding band gig (electric bass)...and it doesn't even blink.

It's light, cute, well behaved...what's not to love.

I suspect it'll do what you're asking...

Maybe we can find a minute and compare/contrast?



btw the way...did you finally check out the Wizzy 10?

 

Chris, I'm sure the NL 210 would be great but why not try bringing both the 108 and 208 and run both together if you need it. The Focus will take that load (4ohm) in stride and I'll bet it'll sound great.

A single Wizzy M-line 12 can get pretty darn loud and when I need stupid loud I bring another. At 33 lbs. each it's not a big deal to bring both and I enjoy the scalability when I don't know what to expect w/ a venue that I don't know. W/ both cabs the Focus handles the 2 ohm load no prob.

If I want one loud cab my Aguilar 112 does fine. Ohms 44 lbs. They're less $ these days and the Focus makes it sound fine for upright. However since purchasing the Wizzy M's I mostly only use those.

It's my feeling that the Focus really likes a 4 ohm load over an eight.

BG

 

You should have everything you need already.As you know I play stupid loud quite a bit and this is what I do.

I set the 208 on the floor, tilt it back, set the amp flat, set the input gain at noon, no high pass, but just the notch filter engaged with the frequency knob all the way to the left. I then run the master up as much as I can without blowing farty sounds or feeding back. I rarely use a mic when it gets loud like that.

If you need more try using both those boxes at the same time. Pile them on top of each other. That should be enough. I Haven't used 2 VL208's with my DB in a couple years but when I did it was brutal. I can't imagine it would be that much less brutal with one less 8.

I tried to use my 210 on DB and hated it. The 208 has always been enough even with a B3, three guitars, loud drums, and full PA.

 

I get more volume out of that rig with the DB than I do with the Fender.

I always bring two boxes with the Fender and one with the DB. I'm not sure why.

 

The NL210 is more efficient than the VL208, and it is not as dark as the NL, from which you get more of an open sound. I agree, lugging my 208 is a drag, even though the NL210 is a little larger it seems much easier to move around.

Since I own a VL208 and have both Foci and NL210 cabs in the shop, I'd be willing to A/B them if you like. The NL210 will take anything the Focus can deliver.

You might also consider a couple Wizzy 10 cabs given their size and weight, I got silly loud on a slab gig with a Focus and two Wizzy 10s (see mention earlier today within the Neverending Micro300 Story thread). A pair of them are almost exactly the same as the price of an NL210.

 

What's the PA scene? If at all possible I would play the setup I normally play and use the PA to get that out to the house.

 

I think Phil meant why not the 108 AND the 208 together as I also suggested. I'm sure that would be stupid loud enough w/o schlepping two 208's and the 4 ohm load would utilize more juice from the Focus.

I once took my Focus on an out-of-town gig and for lack of any nice 12's or 8's I rented a Eden David series 15". This rig was really nice sounding and the cab was surprisingly light weight. Not slow sounding like many 15's and not brittle or harsh like Eden 10's that I've tried. Just nice, clean and fat w/ a Bryant DB and another time w/ my Eminence EUB.

BG

 

I was suggesting your 208 and your 108 and not spending any more dough.

You did play through a wizzy at the belchfest, although you may not recall.

The M line Wizzy was very nice, played very loud by itself. No louder than a 208 I don't think, although the 4 ohm load makes the rig much louder sounding.

I agree with Ed. I use PA a lot on the loud gigs. If they get me pumping through it my stage rig becomes a monitor for me.

 

I envy you.

 

You have HAIR?

Oh, you prolly meant A hair...

 

The younger set digs the "jam band" sound so more power to all as you bring new ideas to that, usually rock-oriented, genre. So, yea, why not make it kickin'?

 

I run an AI Focus through one AI cabinet for small gigs and 2 AI cabinets for bigger and/or outside gigs. If I remember right, with one cabinet the Focus puts out 100 watts. With 2 cabinets, the resistance goes from 8 ohms to 2 ohms and the amp puts out 300 watts and is SUBSTANTIALLY louder. Last March I subbed in a rock/funk band and used that 2 cabinet/Focus set up with a Kolstein Travel bass and while I pushed the system to it's max capability under those ear bleeding volumes, it was loud enough.

With jazz, I've never had to approach the limits of the system even with a drummer who is accurately but affectionately nicknamed "The Bludgeon". Plus, it sounds great at any volume.

 

Ah Mr. Calivox, good to see you on TB my friend!

The one time I saw you at the Crawford Grill, your AI combo sounded extra large -- I couldn't believe how much the sound filled the room...with no PA support. I think it was a duo gig with Don Aliquo Sr...

Chris, I've done lots of these jam band groove gigs. I think a 2x10 is great for this sort of thing. My SWR has been a faithful servant for many years, but I still hope to get an EA NL 2x10 some day. There was an interesting thread a while back that had several people talking about a 4 Ohm NL 2x10. That would sound crazy good with the iamp800 IMHO.

I'm so bummed I missed the first Belchfest -- but do keep us posted!

Yo Cali -- I still hope we can hook up for a local hang sometime!

Jason