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Open letter from bar owner to musicians

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by rockinrayduke, Jan 4, 2013.

  1. rockinrayduke

    rockinrayduke Supporting Member

    Dec 30, 2007
    Henderson, NV
  2. CalboDaGo

    CalboDaGo Banned

    May 16, 2011
    i have to say...i agree with this 100%
  3. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
  4. joelb79


    Mar 22, 2006
    Lansing, Michigan
    I agree. Good read.
  5. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    Agreed. Music is a business. Profit is not evil. Want to "express yourself" or "share your art"? Rent a hall and throw your own show. The rest of us are trying to make some dough.
  6. The Thinker

    The Thinker Supporting Member

    Sep 17, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    I enjoyed the article and found it helpful. I'd love to know what the "trade secret" sales technique is :).
  7. N.F.A.


    Jun 25, 2009
    In a blue funk
    Yes, that was what I was about to ask as well. I guess it won't be secret if the guys here that are in the know give it up.
  8. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol Supporting Member

    It is a nicely written response to the popular letter to bar owners we see quoted very often.
  9. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
    Not all music is business. I see no reason why the bands who want to "express themselves" or "share their art" have to go do it elsewhere. The bands that want to do that, theyre the ones getting the "open mic night/jam nights" mentioned in the article (theyre given the non-paying, slower nights). The venue owners, in the end, will get what they pay for. Theres no need to turn it into an us vs. them scenario. You say that the bands that want to do the above should rent a hall and throw their own show... the ones wanting to make money could do the same as well.
  10. pedro


    Apr 5, 2000
    Madison, WI.
    Hard to imagine someone out there doesn't know this.
  11. lfmn16


    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    Then you don't have a very good imagination! :D
  12. RedMoses

    RedMoses Supporting Member

    Jul 4, 2012
    Ive done this on a number of occassions, there is a local venue with a great sound system and a nice big music space seperate from the Bar. We book bands we like that have a decent draw and usually will headline unless we get a band that draws better than we do, we charge a cover at the door and pay the venue of use of the facility. They invite us back and give us an entire weekend evening because we bring out 100+ people that spend money on Booze.

    I will say this, we get almost NO people coming in that were there to hang at the bar, time after time we had hopes to draw some fresh blood but it never happens, partually because there is a good seperation between the rooms and ppl at the bar cant really hear whats bieng played. While its nice to play a good venue and pack the house, its a lot of work and if you dont bring in enough ppl you end up loosing money or breaking even on the facility fee and that doesnt include renting a van, Gas, footwork to get other bands, promo..... In the end the bar makes a ton of money on booze but you have not gained access to any new fans from the bar.
  13. pedro


    Apr 5, 2000
    Madison, WI.

  14. pedro


    Apr 5, 2000
    Madison, WI.
    One of our favorite venues has a party room that they rent downstairs. Very nice room w/ a bar and they rent it at a ridiculously low price. Anyhoo, we threw ourselves a party downstairs and when management saw folks headed downstairs they followed and hired us.
  15. Reading this forum, it seems like a lot of people don't know it.
  16. pedro


    Apr 5, 2000
    Madison, WI.

    Really? I got the opposite impression. What don't you think most here don't get about the letter?
  17. TinIndian

    TinIndian Supporting Member

    Jan 25, 2011
    Micco Florida
    The drummer/band leader for my band could stand to read this. He acts like it is the bars job to give our band a place to play. One of the big reasons, if not the biggest, the guitarist and I are leaving and starting our own project. Already have a great drummer lined up and trying out a front man next week.

    After all is said and done I/we won't be looking back.
  18. 1. A bar is a business
    2. Most of those businesses operate on pretty thin margins
    3. The value of a band to the business is the increase in sales over what they would sell if there were no band.

    A lot of people seem to think that musicians should be paid based on all the time and effort it takes to learn an instrument, the cost of their gear, etc.
  19. pedro


    Apr 5, 2000
    Madison, WI.
    A lot of people 'here'?
  20. TinIndian

    TinIndian Supporting Member

    Jan 25, 2011
    Micco Florida
    It's interesting to note that the "letter" brings up selling certain drinks and things onstage. My guitarist always mentions drinks and drink specials and always talks to the patrons about tipping the wait staff and bartenders. All due in part to the fact that his day gig is as a district sales manager for a liquor company.