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Opinion time kiddies!

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by Waste, Sep 16, 2001.


  1. Waste

    Waste

    Sep 16, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Okay guys, my band Wastegate just put out a 5 song ep and I love it. We had our 1st show at the Dark Horse Tavern in ATL in support of the disc and everything went well except vox. After the 1st song was done, he was gassed out and his voice is broke and he missed notes and his stage perfomance was a little less than acceptable. Now my band is talking about auditioning others, I don't want to do it. The guy is friend and a founding member and i feel like we're going behind his back. I believe in giving him time now that we had the everdreaded "band talk" to fix the prob. you can go to our site to dL tunes...give me opinions guys..I"m on the wire about this deal!
     
  2. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member Administrator

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    hey waste

    welcome to talkbass to a fellow atlantan - howdy! :D

    i'd say you don't need to be in a mad rush to change the singer out, unless you guys are really ready to deal with the uncertainty of not having a singer.

    very few bands survive lineup changes unscathed, and if you guys are just at the start of getting something going, this is the _wrong_ time for you guys to try and shift gears. give the guy some time, but be very vigilant about how he performs - if he doesn't take his chance to improve seriously, then he's only going to hold you guys back - time to start hunting for replacements.

    on another topic, you might dig getting together with a bunch of other talkbassers on sept 29th, check this thread out...

    http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25536
     
  3. Woodchuck

    Woodchuck

    Apr 21, 2000
    Atlanta / Macon (sigh)
    Gallien Krueger for the last 12 years!
    Hey Waste welcome! I've played the Darkhorse about 6 times, and the vox is ALWAYS screwed up. At least they're consistant!:D
     
  4. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    I would say don't fire the dude based on his performance at one gig. Everyone is bound to have a bad night now and again.
     
  5. Are you guys new to gigging? Everyone gets better with time, no ones a really good singer from the start. If he is new to gigging, then nerves can effect his performance, plus a gig is a huge strain on someones voice if they havnt done it a lot, its a long time for someone to sing, plus in gigs singers tend to put a lot more into it and sing louder, it will take a few shows before his vocal cords handle a gig alright.
    Ive listened to bootlegs of very early Doors shows and Morrison's voice was breaking and going off key, and it didnt sound good. Then when you listen to later shows his voice is really good and he sounds like a different singer.
    A voice is like a musical instrument, the more he practices the better he will get, and the stronger his vocal cords will get.
    Jim
     
  6. Waste

    Waste

    Sep 16, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    guys, I can't thank you enough! I've been on the fence about the whole deal cuz not only is he 1/5 of the band, he's a friend and a great person. With all this support, I've decided to keep pushing to let him prove himself...one more question tho, what if he doesn't improve...I mean, i know it takes time, but how long is adequate?
     
  7. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member Administrator

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    as long as you guys are willing to give him - get him to take lessons on how to sing, how to breathe, how to project and hear proper intonation.

    nobody would form a band with a guy who just bought an instrument, without ever learning how to use it, yet supposed "singers" show up to band tryouts, and all they've done is sing in the shower before.

    singing is a skill, just like everything else in a band. if music really is this guy's "life blood" like he says in your profile, then he will relish the opportunity to perform better, and should jump at the suggestion of getting a teacher.
     
  8. Waste

    Waste

    Sep 16, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    we've approached him before about lessons and he says he's looking into it or gives us some other exscuses about it. THEN we had the "band talk" about how we have others willing to audition and how serious we all are about the band and he needs to start pulling weight etc. and he honestly went and signed up for lessons and instructions but got postponed til this week. Problem being, we play the Masquerade in Atlanta on Wed.! He's told us that if he botches, he's going to bow out for the benefit of the band. I'm not ready to see him go..I don't know if anyone's Downloaded any of our tunes yet, but when you listen to his voice, you can tell he has one..but hasn't harnessed it yet. We also get complaints that "his voice just doesn't fit the music". could that be what sets us apart, and would it be in a good way or bad?
     
  9. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member Administrator

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    man, only you guys can be the judge of that. don't listen to "complaints" from the peanut gallery - you can't mould your band around what other people say - _you're_ the guys who know what you want to sound like, and are the ones who are going to have to live with it too, for a long time.

    if you guys dig his voice, then keep him in the band. if you play your music well, and with sincerity, you will find fans, regardless of how well something "fits" :rolleyes: the music. most people use that kind of comment to really mean "fits their preconceived notion of how the music should be". my usual response to a comment like that from audience members/critics is "wow, since you have such a good idea of how it should be, why don't you go form your own band and make it happen."

    also, don't expect lessons to change him overnight - if you guys are going to give him a chance, and he does go to lessons, you are going to have to give him a few months to let it happen. you should make his continued membership in the band contingent on him continuing lessons.

    a suggestion, i don't know if this is the case for you guys, but you need to make sure that he can hear himself on stage. you know, i'll be the first to say that it really rocks to blast away at 11 on stage, but having the stage volume that loud doesn't do sh!t for the singer except make him have to scream to hear himself, which is another reason why he may have blown out. does your drummer pound the sh!t out of the drums when he's playing live? does the guitarist have to blast his stack? does the singer ever complain about not being able to hear himself? you guys need to make him able to do his job - you can't expect a singer to sing well if he can't hear himself properly. keeping the stage volume under control is another aspect of being pro that a lot of bands, especially metal bands, have a hard time with. i know that we had to really reign in the horses when we first started gigging. remember, the clubs have a pa for a reason, let IT do the blasting, and just get a good sound on stage that everyone is comfortable with.

    i listened to your tunes you have, pretty cool, reminds me of tool a bit.
     
  10. Beggin' your pardon sir, but in my opinion Yoko Ohhhhhhhhhh Noooooooo! is the exception to your rule. I would venture to say that she started off really awful, and she's gotten worse with time...

    - Wil
     
  11. Waste

    Waste

    Sep 16, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Thanx for the input everyone and maybe if you guys from ATL (John Turner) want, you can come to the Masquerade this Wed@10 or 10:30 and check us out and you can better get a better idea of what we're dealing with...lates and thanx again!
     
  12. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member Administrator

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    i might do that. good luck on wednesday.
     
  13. Hategear

    Hategear Workin' hard at hardly workin'.

    Apr 6, 2001
    Appleton, Swissconsin
    When he stops trying to improve, it's time to move on without him.
     
  14. Woodchuck

    Woodchuck

    Apr 21, 2000
    Atlanta / Macon (sigh)
    Gallien Krueger for the last 12 years!
    Hey Waste, I'll come and check you guys out.
     
  15. Waste

    Waste

    Sep 16, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    thanx guys...I hope to see ya'll there...i'm the bass player...(stupid joke huh?)
    maybe you guys can give me pointers after the show...i've only been playing for apprx. 2 years and have a ways to go!