Opinions on Bergantino CN410 / AE410, rethinking my Berg stacks!

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  1. MAFbass1992

    MAFbass1992 Bass Player / Low-End Reviews

    Feb 4, 2012
    Montreal
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    Hello fellow bass players,

    I'm currently rethinking about my amp setup. I'm playing with two Berg 12'' Cabs. A CN112 and a AE112 with an Aguilar Ag700. Sounds very good but I'm sometimes lacking volume on bigger ''full band'' gigs. With the AG700 I could get the option to add a third 12'' cab, but I'm heading to eventually keep one of the 2 cabs for smaller gigs (upright bass and low volume gigs) and get a 410 for the bigger ones!

    I'm lucky to have in the classified the option to get a used CN410 or a AE410. I'd like to get the CN410 but I'd like to get some feedback from other players! Can the CN410 hold on well to a real tube head, If I decide to get a SVT or something like that later? I know that the CN series is not a NV610... but how close can it get?

    Any of those two cabs can hold well with the flexible EQ of the Aguilar but I'm wondering if a Neo cab (as good as it gets) will still do the trick for a ''rock-oriented'' gig If I add a tube head after.

    In general the AE series seem to have a bit more bass/low mid. This is something on the AE112 that I don't always like, but could it work well with 10'' speakers, 410 is more focused than a 212 in general?

    Let me know which one you prefer! Thank you.
     
  2. chris_b

    chris_b

    Jun 2, 2007
    I sold my AE410 to get 2 AE210 cabs and then sold those when I started to run 3 AE112 cabs.

    I prefer modular rigs and less weight to carry.

    I'd also be thinking about the HDN series cabs.
     
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  3. MAFbass1992

    MAFbass1992 Bass Player / Low-End Reviews

    Feb 4, 2012
    Montreal
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    The HDN have lot of similarities to the CN line, so I'd rather stay with the CN since I can get one used. I'm probably gonna get the CN410 because it's 49 lbs vs 40 lbs for AE210 vs 33lbs for the AE. It doesn't matter that much, but the CN410 still has a good form factor to carry.

    I was also considering the Aguilar SL410 or SL212. If someone knows the differences in sound between the SL and the CN 410's. They also weight the same! I liked the SL112 when I tried it in a store, but I've been told they don't like being pushed to much at higher volumes.
     
  4. bucephylus

    bucephylus Supporting Member

    Aug 18, 2002
    Central Ohio
    The 410’s are great; but, suggest you also consider selling one of your 112’s and getting a 212; possibly the HDN212, given your comments about the AE. That would allow you to gig a 312 setup when you need more air moving. I would be surprised if that didn’t work. IME, the Berg 312 is the most modular functional rig out there.
     
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  5. Blaze Barlow

    Blaze Barlow

    Mar 8, 2018
    Nashville
    I think you should consider these 4x12 cabinets by Hi Tone..and two of these would be a really nice set up..more speaker surface area moves more air..these are like the Hi Watt cabinets of years ago..but are voiced for more low end....HT412 Bass Cabinet - Hi-tone Amplification
     
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  6. MAFbass1992

    MAFbass1992 Bass Player / Low-End Reviews

    Feb 4, 2012
    Montreal
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    Yeah I thought about it too! I might borrow a friend's 112 Berg cab to see how it reacts. I'm sure it will sound massive!

    I'm also thinking about maybe NV115 + CN112 setup. That would be cool too and I'd probably be able to get more presence with the 15 + 6 inches speakers!
     
  7. bucephylus

    bucephylus Supporting Member

    Aug 18, 2002
    Central Ohio
    Just an FYI, the sealed + ported cab combos seem to be the only ones that do not play well together.
     
  8. I have an AE410 and am very very happy with it. I'm sure any of the berg 410's are very nice. 62 lbs isn't too heavy but I could probably throw some wheels on it and make it even easier. For now I handle it without any issue.
     
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  9. jmceachern36

    jmceachern36

    Nov 13, 2005
    Cambridge MA
    I’m wondering about the difference between 2 Bergantino 112’s and a 410 as well. I’ve been playing the 12’s for a long time. Is the 410 significantly louder and fuller? I’m not giving up the 12’s but was thinking of trying a 410.
     
  10. MAFbass1992

    MAFbass1992 Bass Player / Low-End Reviews

    Feb 4, 2012
    Montreal
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    Wondering the same thing. If I should stay with a 12's and add a 3rd one or just go with a light neo 410.
     
  11. My guess is that 410's are significantly louder than 2 12's. 3 12's are probably about the same. It comes down to speaker area right?
     
  12. jmceachern36

    jmceachern36

    Nov 13, 2005
    Cambridge MA
    It occurs to me that last time I had a question about Bergantino cabs I emailed Jim Bergantino. He responded in less than an hour. He’d have the correct info.
     
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  13. I used to have two AE112 which were great but not as full sounding as my HT112ER and EX112ER which in turn are not as powerful as my pair of HD210 cabs. Hasn't the square arrangement of speakers in 410 cabs been linked with sound dispersion limitations? 210 cabs allow vertical arrangement also which work well on smaller stages and get the sound to your ears better too. Small heavier cabs are a better solution for me.
     
  14. Bassist30

    Bassist30

    Mar 19, 2004
    NEW YORK
    The AE was a short series. I understand the ae was discontinued cause of the prices of the neo's went up. When they went down, Bergantino didn't make the AE and went a different direction. Anyone know why... Was he not happy with them? I have an AE410.
     
  15. You should Google the specs for the different Bergantino neo cabs, from AE to CN to HDN. The porting went from rear to front (possible production cost benefits), finish from paint to tolex and the machined Bergantino logo disappeared (once again production process simplifications). Soundwise all generations of Bergantino cabs are excellent and differences probably subtle. Analysis of the specs (all freely available online) might give you more clues.
     
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  16. B_Lo

    B_Lo Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2009
    Cedar Park, TX
    I used an AE410 with an Aggy 751 for 3 years - Fantastic rig and easy to transport with BIG sound.
     
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  17. chris_b

    chris_b

    Jun 2, 2007
    I don't think its was a "different" direction. I used AE cabs and then CN cabs and there were many more similarities than differences.
     
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  18. MAFbass1992

    MAFbass1992 Bass Player / Low-End Reviews

    Feb 4, 2012
    Montreal
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    I have both in 12” and the CN has a bit more clarity. Any of these cabs end up working on gigs!
     
  19. NickFromNY

    NickFromNY Supporting Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    Long Island, NY
    I have a cn410 and have run a 76 SVT through it, though not during a gig. The cab itself is my favorite. Light, punchy, efficient. I usually run my walkabout head through it and it gets plenty loud.
     
  20. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    You really can't go wrong with either AE or CN. I had an AE410 that worked very well for me, but I ultimately went with an HDN212 for handling's sake.
     
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