1. Please take 30 seconds to register your free account to remove most ads, post topics, make friends, earn reward points at our store, and more!  

Orange TB500 + Avatar b410 pairing (cab crisis)

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Jirishman, Mar 31, 2015.


  1. Jirishman

    Jirishman

    May 16, 2011
    Chicago
    Hello everyone,

    I'm in a bit of cab crisis at the moment, and was hoping you all could help.
    Until the cab gave out mid-set, I was quite happy with my TB500 and OBC115 pairing, as it was light enough to haul around on tour and provide decent low end. I was fortunate to be able to replace the cab on tour with my brother's Matamp 410 (more old-school sounding, no tweeter, rear-ported) cab, which I thought would do the job, but so far I've been very underwhelmed with it, and feel it's really lacking in the low end and punch I thought it would provide. I also find it difficult to hear the cab accurately on stage as well (but when I use another band's 410 cab, an SWR Goliath, I can hear myself much better).

    Long story short, I am considering dumping the Matamp 410 and going with an Avatar b410 Neo (to help shed weight, which is a concern since my band tours often). I already have an Avatar b210, so I figured another Avatar cab would match up with it well, and give me a 610 set up for the bigger gigs.

    Will the b410 have better dispersion and presence than the Matamp? Will it provide enough punch and low end? I've never used Neo speakers before. Or should I be looking at another cab entirely (I'm wary to go with another 1x15)? My budget is in the $5-600 range.

    I play a Gibson Thunderbird, and aim for a punchy, clear low end, with some trademark t-bird growl on top for when I dig in.

    I'm sorry for all the questions, and appreciate all the help I can get.
     
  2. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Keep the Matamp.

    The Orange won't be able to drive the two Avatar cabs unless they are both 8 ohm cabs, and in that case, the power will not be distributed evenly
     
    iualum likes this.
  3. Jirishman

    Jirishman

    May 16, 2011
    Chicago
    The b210 I currently have is 8 ohms, as is the Matamp 410. So I would certainly get another 8 ohm Avatar cab if I go that route.
     
  4. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    But then the 210 is getting twice as much power per cone as the 4x10.

    Have you checked out the SB2126?
     
  5. mpdd

    mpdd neoconceptualist

    Mar 24, 2010
    LA
    i use two obc115s
     
    chaosMK likes this.
  6. Jirishman

    Jirishman

    May 16, 2011
    Chicago
    I'd love to try two 1x15's but unfortunately there's not enough room in our van to accommodate two. A 410 is about as big as I can go. Size & weight are definitely a factor.
     
  7. Dispersion comes from the cab layout. With no mid driver all 4x10 have the very similar crappy dispersion in the mids. The frontal tone is what you like.

    The problem with your cunning 8ohm plus 8ohm 6x10 plan is you can only turn up the amp to 4ohm 4x10 level as the 2x10 is maxed.

    The whole thing is a little louder due to extra sensitivity of 2 more drivers. But the problem comes as it sounds like there is a lot more HEADROOM there which is only useable by stressing the 2x10.

    You can end run all that by getting another 8ohm 2x10 to match the one you have. Stack horizontal in the van and vertical on stage.

    You should be turning down a bit and playing with monster PA if the vertical stack isn't enough.
     
    iualum likes this.
  8. Get a second matching 210, stack them vertically.
    O
    O
    O
    O
     
    BassmanPaul, TMARK and cfsporn like this.
  9. Jirishman

    Jirishman

    May 16, 2011
    Chicago
    Is there a particular reason you think I should keep the Matamp (sound/tone-wise), instead of going with another 210 to match my other 210, or trying something like a 212? Would a 212 be sufficient for my needs on the road? We typically play clubs with a 150-300 capacity, anything and everything in between.
     
  10. TMARK

    TMARK

    Jan 10, 2012
    Richmond VA
    I would get another Avatar 210. I have two of them and use them with an Orange AD200BMk.3. I like this combo much better than the Orange 410 I have. The Avatars really compliment the fatness of the Orange sound. Just a killer, rich tone with punch.
     
  11. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    I didn't read the OP before recomendiing keeping the Matamp.

    I would now say your best bet is another matching 210 stacked vertically or the Avatar SB2126
     
  12. chaosMK

    chaosMK

    May 26, 2005
    Albuquerque, NM
    Hi-fi into an old tube amp
    +1 2x 2x10 rig. The 2x10 + 4x10 wont rock. Basically the 2x10 will be blasting and the 4x10 (which you think would deliver the bulk of the sound) will barely be doing anything down there. I rocked an 8-ohm/8-ohm 2x10/4x10 rig for a while and it looked cool but was not practical.

    What's nice is that the TB has a small footprint so it should sit atop things nicely if you go with the vertical phallus config.
     
  13. A vertical stack of two identical 2x10 cabinets is a very viable configuration. It's also what I use!! :D

    If you do decide to go with an Avatar 4x10 get it in 4Ω. That way, when run in parallel, the drivers in either cabinet will get the same amount of power each. You WILL need a 2Ω stable amplifier to manage the resultant 2.67Ω load.
     
  14. Jirishman

    Jirishman

    May 16, 2011
    Chicago
    Final question: If I decide to go with two Avatar 210s, would it matter if one cab had neo drivers in it (to shave weight), and the other ceramic? Is it best for all the speakers to match?
     
  15. cfsporn

    cfsporn

    Aug 20, 2011
    New York City
    Yes to both.
     
  16. iualum

    iualum

    Apr 9, 2004
    60453
    Do you not understand the power distribution post above?
     
  17. iualum

    iualum

    Apr 9, 2004
    60453
    Yes. That's the point. A 210 & 410, when both 8-ohms, produces very little more than the 410 on its own. And again, you have the distribution problem, risking blowing the 210 at volume.
     
  18. iualum

    iualum

    Apr 9, 2004
    60453
    As with the million other such questions previously posted by others, it all depends on the 212 in question. If it employs 3012s or 3012LFs & a mid, you're more than good to go.

    Something akin to this ... For Sale/Trade - fearful 1212 / 6 / 1 - Shobass Built - 900W RMS | TalkBass.com
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.