I'm in two different bands and I'm not the band leader of either. But they both share a common problem. In one band, which is mostly a cover band, the band leader is an affable enough fellow for the most part. But when it comes to originals, I think he feels like he needs to have his stamp on them somehow, even though he doesn't know much about songwriting. He's been involved in a few songs over the years, but I haven't seen many and of those I've seen none of them are good. I hate to be so blunt but it's true, they are stinkers. I've been writing songs since I was 19 and though I'm not awesome, I have definitely learned a few things. I have dozens of songs the band could take and make its own. I feel like this would be much easier for a band that isn't chock full of songwriters, and I wouldn't mind what they did to the songs. Also, I'm not the singer of the band, and I don't think the singer likes me after I suggested his song could be improved with a simple edit. He never heard me out about that edit, he just doesn't communicate with me unless we're in the same room, where he's nice enough to my face, but I can tell he's totally not over it. What was the edit? It's that his song was about two things that weren't related and I thought that was a little distracting. He should just make it about one or the other. The two things, btw, were partying on a friday night and honoring military service. (I suppose you can see that those are two pretty different things even if I don't quote the song..) Since then, I have not ever heard another of his songs, either, though I gather he's shared some with the others in the band, but that might have been before I got there. Whenever I send around a song he makes no comment. BTW, these are older guys in positions of responsibility and authority in their real lives. Music brings out the kid in all of us, not always in a good way! OK, so we all want to do some originals, but we agreed to make them as a collaborative process. I was eager to try this, actually, because I wanted everyone to be 100% behind whatever we did, and I knew that wasn't going to happen if we used any of mine, and nobody else was proposing anything. So we began this process in February. Since that time, we have advanced to having two parts. And these two parts both came during the first writing session when the BL came over to my house. I wrote both of them. At that point I stopped actively suggesting parts, wanting the others to contribute what they wanted to. We've worked on these two parts since then, and though they've been fleshed out a bit here and there, to my ear, the writing process has not progressed at all. We're just spinning in circles. I probably don't have to explain how frustrating this is. Even though the band has not been working on this full time since Feb., still, if it were me, the song would have been done a long time ago. Like, IN FEBRUARY! Since I wasn't feeling creatively fulfilled in that band, I joined another which already has several songwriters. But there's a simliar problem. Each of the songwriters is a friend of the BL, or the BL himself. They all have written some good songs so I do not complain a bit about playing their songs. But when it comes time to talk about or work on one of mine, the BL will immediately start talking about a new song he's just written. If it happened just once, I would chalk it off to that usual self-centeredness that all of us creative types fall into from time to time. But it's happened every time now. The other two songwriters want to do some of my songs, but he has slowed the process by never downloading any of my stuff to learn it in the first place, and pretending he didn't hear it when others suggest working on them. Obviously, neither of these situations is going to work for me. Is this just par for the course for writing originals in bands? Or can you find a band that will be as open to your stuff as you are to theirs? EDIT -- this is pretty condensed so I apologize if things are a bit confusing. I'm skipping over things to make it a shorter post.