Our "bandleader?!" doesn´t want us to play with other people...

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by chzz23, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. chzz23


    Sep 29, 2018
    First of all he is not our bandleader. In theory and in his words we are just "a group of friends" that join up for making some music. We both are the only of the four people that doesn´t really need an extra income from gigs, but we decided this summer that booking some payed gigs would be fun.

    The thing about him is that he doesn´t play very good. In fact, he is the less experienced musician of all of us and he doesn´t have time to study by his own, so rehearsals are basically him trying to learn the tunes while we provide a backing track. But it has been fun, we allways end up drinking some beers after rehearsal, and i love how the other guys play. We have a very friendly relationship between us four.
    On the other hand, he is the only one of us that has a car, he goes to every house to pick us up, and he is the most connected person, reserving us the gigs, talking to the bar owners and whatnot. In general we are happy this way.

    But, i received a call this morning. Before that i was talking to the guitar player and he said to me that he was needing some money right now. I said to him "Sure man, we just book some gigs next week". I told the "bandleader" (sax player from now on) if we could do some gigs on the fly with songs we allready should have (without rehearsal), but he "had a cold and he wasn´t in the mood for blowing", for a gig next weekend??????

    I said, "sure bro, we can just play trio. You know guitar player needs money".

    And here everything starts: first of all he tried to make me jealous saying that some other band wanted he to play sax with them, i said "ok, we are allowed to play with other people" Then he said like "but this is not what we have decided, all of us are important in this" and "don´t worry, just wait till next month and i will book us a lot of gigs, but i need to recover".

    I know waiting one week more is not a big deal (at least for me), but i don´t know if he should decide this stuff single handedly. I know he should feel that we are letting him behind somehow, but on the other hand is just a gig.

    What do you think?
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  2. ArtechnikA

    ArtechnikA I endorsed a check once...

    Feb 24, 2013
    Nobody gets me on an exclusive basis unless they are paying me a salary.
    Meanwhile - I'd never deny any of the players I work with a gig opportunity.
    The whole arrangement sounds pretty sketchy if he's providing all the gig contacts _and_ transportation.
    (What is your plan for working the gigs you want to play without him?)
    I wouldn't buy into the guilt trip of him suggesting another band is interested. You just say "Cool, let us know how it went!"
    If he can't play out until these mythical gigs "next month" can he not practice until then too?
    Any opportunity I have to play out makes me a better player - to the benefit of every project.
    IMO - go play your sax-less gigs with the guitar guy.
    If sax guy is playing power-trip games this early, it won't get better...
  3. chzz23


    Sep 29, 2018
    I just don´t wanna be harsh or anything. We are a group of friends first and foremost.
    UPDATE: he is going to call me soon and i will discuss the trio thing with him again.
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  4. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    Sounds like he didn't want to be excluded. I play in 2 bands and sub in 2 other bands. Unless someone is paying me a wad of money to remain exclusive..........not happening!
  5. Slater

    Slater Leave that thing alone.

    Apr 17, 2000
    The Great Lakes State
    True friends won’t try to deny other friend’s opportunities.
  6. chzz23


    Sep 29, 2018
    Well, sax player agreed to take some music lessons with guitar player if we wait for him. I guess that solves it in some way...
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  7. Seems workable although outlandish. Definitely you guys have fallen in behind the leader now. It might work out with Moneybags McSax running the show. Keep us posted.
  8. grimjim


    Jan 26, 2014
    Chicago, Illinois
    Endorsing artist;DNA Amplification, GHS strings
    Most musicians I know, play in multiple bands unless they're being paid a decent salary.

    I play in two bands and do session work with a couple guys. Most of the other guys in my original band are in two bands also. First one that books a date gets it.

    No one has an issue with any of it. If you were truly "friends", he wouldn't have a problem with it since the one "friend" needs some extra cash.
  9. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Unless you are gigging regularly for good coin, to the point where your schedule is full, I don't see the issue with doing other gigs.
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  10. Last Rebel

    Last Rebel Lone Wolf - No Club Supporting Member

    Mar 11, 2011
    Ontario Canada
    I have seen this so many times
    The "less experienced musician of all "

    or as some would say "weak link" in a band will step up and shine shoes and cut your lawn and do everything necessary to make themselves appear most valuable

    So....... no one holds me to one band,and if we choose to play trio ,or I fill in elsewhere then thats the way it's gonna be
    Hope the lessons help....;)
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  11. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Inactive

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    This. He's not your friend if he doesn't want you to do what's best for you.
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  12. Herrick


    Jul 21, 2010
    Munchkin Land
    Is the sax player's name James Hetfield by any chance?
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  13. Old Blastard

    Old Blastard

    Aug 18, 2013
    I think I was married to her.
  14. bbh

    bbh Supporting Member

    Sep 27, 2011
    As soon as I see that happening, I state “I am not his or her bass player. I play many situations. If this was busy enough, perhaps I could get along on one group.”
  15. Kevan Campbell

    Kevan Campbell Bergantino Artist, Vibe9 IEM Artist Supporting Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    San Antonio, TX
    What everyone else has said so far. I've been on salary and you'd better believe that I was giving that gig much higher priority over others, but if we weren't booked out for a show two weeks or less away it was understood that we could fill in our schedules as we saw fit. Other bands/artists that I've played in/for were understanding when they weren't busy enough to keep us solely occupied with their music and had no issue with us taking other gigs as long as we honored the gigs we had already committed to with them.

    This "bandleader" is indeed doing a lot of the work of a bandleader and I don't see that aspect of your group's dynamic changing unless someone else is willing to do all the work that he's doing. However, if this wasn't explicitly discussed when the band was formed then he can't keep you for taking shows with OTHER BANDS; where it gets tricky is you guys do a show as a trio without him. My guess is that he'll feel "pushed out" and that you guys are benefiting from the shows that he's hustled and booked himself (which is a position that has some merit).

    Regardless of what happens with this group, it sounds like all of you guys (and the guitarist that needs money in particular) need to start networking and playing with other bands and artists.
  16. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    How old are you guys?
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  17. ArtechnikA

    ArtechnikA I endorsed a check once...

    Feb 24, 2013
    Good question (one that I had myself...)
    And where ?
  18. dan1952

    dan1952 Commercial User

    Jun 27, 2012
    Anderson IN
    Artist Endorsement with Supro Huntington Basses / Owner, Dan's Music, Inc..
    I've never been told that I could only play with one band. I wouldn't react in a positive way if that were to happen. The person doing that must think he's James Brown.
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  19. Band leader/sax player is wrong.

    You and the trio need to confront him. There is no good reason for him to limit your performance if he is unavailable.

    I can understand if he wants you to make his project the priority, but if he doesn't book one and leaves you free for a weekend, "free" means just that--free to do whatever you please, including making some coin playing music.
  20. Kick him out, and then he can play with himself...……….by himself. I meant to type "by himself". Honest.

    But yeah, he's got no reason to deny you an opportunity. Sounds like an insecurity issue.