Out of phase notes?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by groveofbass, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. groveofbass

    groveofbass Guest

    Nov 28, 2004
    New York, New York
    On the upper frets of my E and B strings i am experiencing notes that sound way out of phase. Is there something that can be done to avoid this or is this just the nature of E and B strings in general and I should learn to just deal with it?
  2. Geoff St. Germaine

    Geoff St. Germaine Commercial User

    Aug 31, 2001
    Halifax, Canada
    Owner - St. Germaine Guitars
    Can you describe "sounds out of phase"?
  3. Simball

    Simball Guest

    Mar 26, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Does it sound like the notes are being played under water?
  4. AGCurry

    AGCurry Supporting Member

    Jun 29, 2005
    St. Louis
    Well, a note can not really be out of phase with itself, but weird things can happen. I suspect your pickup is too close to these strings, causing the strings to be excessively pulled by the pickup's magnet.
  5. gyancey

    gyancey Supporting Member

    When playing on the high frets the thicker strings are too massive/stiff for their (fretted) length to vibrate and produce all of the harmonic series correctly. That's why a D on the 10th fret of the E string sounds different than D of the 5th fret of the A and different from the open D. Lighter gauge strings can help but I would just find a different place on the neck to get the notes you need.
  6. groveofbass

    groveofbass Guest

    Nov 28, 2004
    New York, New York
    Geoff: It sounds almost like a chorus effect

    I guess it is just the nature of the instrument. It really isnt that big of a deal, I mean, how often do most of us find ourselves wanting to use the 17th fret on the B string anyway?

    But either way it is difficult to intonate the B string because the pitch wavers when I play the 12th fret.
  7. Son of Magni

    Son of Magni

    May 10, 2005
    Builder: ThorBass
    It sounds like you might have a bad string. Have you replaced the strings and still have the same problem?
  8. pilotjones


    Nov 8, 2001
    While a choked sound is sometimes related to thick strings over a short distance, as Greg mentioned, the description of "chorus effect" makes me think that it's the other possibility: pickup too high, and magnetically attracting the string when fretted down. I'd try lowering the pickup.
  9. Dan1099

    Dan1099 Dumbing My Process Down

    Aug 7, 2004
    +12. This is a known design flaw, especially on Jazz-style basses. Lower your pickup a little bit.
  10. JAL

    JAL Guest

    Dec 15, 2004
    Cleveland, Ohio
    +1. The ''chorussy' sound youre getting might be the result of the pickup pulling on the string as a note is fretted, causing it to subtly shift pitch. (This makes sense if it's worse on the higher notes, as the higher you play, the closer the strings hit the pickup) Try to lower your pickup, that should prolly help.
  11. BassyBill

    BassyBill Gold Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Mar 12, 2005
    West Midlands UK
    Another vote for pickups too close to the strings here. Try doing a web search for "Stratitis".
  12. bobbykokinos


    Dec 2, 2004
    I hade this same problem with my SX bass when I put new pickups on it.. Everything after the 12th fret on the D & G string had a chorusing sound.

    I dropped the pickups and it went away.