P-bass pickups low tuning.

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by Lucifuge, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017
    Hello.
    I play on a four string Japanese Fender Precision in a doom/stoner band and we tune down to C-standard (c-f-a#-d#). I've been wondering if there are any pickups that are better suited for this than the original stock ones?

    I'm new to the forum so please bear with me if this has been discussed before. Tried to search the forum but couldn't find anything.
     
  2. monsterthompson

    monsterthompson The Eighth Note Wonder Of The World Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2008
    Hollywood
    Are you "missing" something? Do you feel you aren't satisfied with what you have, or are you just curious what else is available that might be "better" in some way? I've found the best advice around here comes when you can describe where are and where you are trying to get to. Otherwise, it can turn into a lot of people naming their favorite gear and what works for them.

    Knowing what other factors you have going on might be helpful. Pick or fingers? Strings of choice? Amp/cab? Distortion of choice?

    I'm not a pickup expert, so I'm not sure what all is out there. I've been using a Duncan Steve Harris pickup in my Nash P and been pretty happy with it over the DiMarzio I had. The DiMarzio was a little more boomy and mushy, though it wasn't bad (not 100% sure which model it was, which doesn't really help). However, I'm not tuned down as low as you are.

    I'd suspect the GZR would be a strong choice. If it works for Sabbath :) It is very popular around here. I considered it when I ended up deciding on the Duncan/Harris.
    EMG Pickups / GZR P / Electric Guitar Pickups, Bass Guitar Pickups, Acoustic Guitar Pickups
     
  3. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017
    Thank you for your answer :)
    The problem is that I think that the E-string (c in this case) is so much more undefined in its tone than the rest of the strings, not that heavy thunderous bass boom that I'm aming for.

    I use a orange ad200 with orange 1x15 and 4x10 cabs.

    I'll read up on the GZRs.
     
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  4. monsterthompson

    monsterthompson The Eighth Note Wonder Of The World Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2008
    Hollywood
    It could be a matter of pickup height or pole piece adjustment. It could be a matter of string choice, and a different brand or gauge could be the answer. It could be helped by certain pedals, and this place will encourage gear purchases you never knew you wanted. It could also be that a new pickup is the cure for what ails you.

    I'm sure a few other good suggestions will roll in.

    Welcome to TB :)
     
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  5. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017
    Thanks a lot for taking your time mate! I've got a lot to consider now.
     
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  6. hbabels

    hbabels

    Jul 26, 2015
    Phoenix, AZ
    I'm a big fan of the EMG GZR P pickup. I be used often tuned an half step and the drop C# for some songs and always sound great. Sounds really mean with the c# plenty of lows but still good definition. I'd suggest it.

    Also Nordstrand pickups have caught my ear lately and they have plenty of good options.

    I would also say that strings are super important when tuning down. I've had better luck with heavier gauges.

    In one band we're tuned to drop C and I was getting good results with rotosound 50-110
    And more recently I've been swapping the low String for a .120 and it sounds awesome ! & stays in tune better as well
     
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  7. First be 100 % sure it is the pickup. Narrow it down with an A/B approach. Otherwise you will be spending money and still be not happy. Geezers are good if you like a more traditional tone, SD quarterpounders will give you are more scooped tone.
     
  8. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017
    Thanks a lot guys.

    I use Daddario EXL160BT strings that range from 50-67-90-120 and it's supposed to be a balanced set.
     
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  9. PawleeP

    PawleeP

    Oct 8, 2012
    East Coast
    sounds like a nice string gauge set for drop c & drob b.. cool!
    are they expensive?
     
  10. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017
    They are pretty much one of the cheapest sets around. Bass stings are kinda expensive here in Sweden so I was happy when I found this set at a fair prise.
     
  11. Bass'd on a true story

    Bass'd on a true story

    Jun 28, 2015
    Is your "E" string vibrating properly? If either the nut slot or the saddle is not properly holding the string, it can lose a ton of energy. 120 is a big string for a regular p-bass nut that hasn't been setup. That's the only thing I can think to mention that hasn't been mentioned already.
     
  12. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017
    Hey man, I think you might be right! The nut isn't filed to fit a .120 string. It's pretty obvious that I'm the most technical guy around.
     
  13. Nedmundo

    Nedmundo Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2005
    Philadelphia
    I don't know about the pickup in your MIJ Fender, but some Fender split-coils lack low end clarity IME, which would definitely present problems for drop tuning. I experienced this with a 2004 Am. Series P, and found that DiMarzio's Model P and a Lindy Fralin both had more low end clarity, and worked well with the E dropped to D. Nordstrand pickups generally have lots of clarity, so I suspect one of those would be a great choice. Maybe Delano too.

    As other mentioned, strings are a huge part of this equation. It looks like you have a good set, but you might try DR's DDT (Drop Down Tuning) strings that are designed for this. They have hex cores for stiffness, which helps low end clarity in my experience.

    DR Strings | The Handmade String - Guitar and Bass
     
  14. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017
    Thanks a lot for all your answers guys, really made a newcomer to talkkbass like me happy! Got really good suggestions for pickups, strings & adjustments:)
     
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  15. hbabels

    hbabels

    Jul 26, 2015
    Phoenix, AZ
    Yeah I forgot to mention that. I was lucky on bass that the .120 fit the nut with no mods needed but I could see where a lot of basses would need the nut moddofied to fit a string that big right. It can make a big difference. Fortunately is an easy /cheap mod to do
     
  16. monsterthompson

    monsterthompson The Eighth Note Wonder Of The World Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2008
    Hollywood
    Took a google look at the stings the OP is using and seeing they are nickel. I wonder if stainless would provide a more dediresble performance. Stainless tends to be brighter but I'm not sure how the low end would change. Might be worth a peek. Not sure if that string set is available in stainless. Anyone here familiar?
     
  17. Bass'd on a true story

    Bass'd on a true story

    Jun 28, 2015
    D'addario make quite a few awesome stainless sets. Prosteels and flexsteels come to mind first. I've never tried the pros, but the flexsteels are some of my favorite strings of all time. That being said, they felt pretty low tension and might not be appropriate at that size.
     
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  18. 4StringTheorist

    4StringTheorist Supporting Member

    Just quoting this for the truth of it!

    The Flexsteels have been discontinued, sadly. I say sadly because I had a set sitting around for more than a year, just put them on my MTD Kingston.. and I love them! *laughing*
     
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  19. JES

    JES Supporting Member

    I play an EADG bass that I drop tune to C for some songs. I know stoner/doom, which we don't do, but I do use some savage distortion and fuzz now and then, and play through an Orange TB500.

    I use a G&L MFD split coil (about the same price as the others suggested in this thread). Higher output, different sound, but very solid low end.

    In addition to higher gauge strings, here's another trick if you play with your fingers: I move my hand close to the bridge when I'm in drop tuning. I get a truer note that way. With a pick, on bass I tend to prefer heavier gauges, but a lighter gauge can also help if your string tension is low.

    Good luck!
     
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  20. Lucifuge

    Lucifuge Guest

    Jul 15, 2017