P vs Jazz for BEAD.

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  1. LT131

    LT131

    Jan 25, 2015
    Deep South
    Well, my country band is delving further and further into Modern Country and it is full of 5 string stuff. I do not really want to buy a 5 but an intrigued by the though of a BEAD setup. Got the perfect neck for it laying around already. Here's the questions.

    I see many more 5vers in a Jazz type than Pbass. Are they just better suited to low B's? If I need to pick up a Jazz body how are the MIM's in terms of PU's and hardware. Would I be better to get a Squire CV which I have heard positive things about?

    I will be using a P neck which, according to another current thread, could cause complications with galactic consequences if paired with the Jazz. A TB warning will be issued if I go the Jazz route.
     
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  2. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth Inactive

    If you want the low to sound even lower, the Precision.
     
  3. lug

    lug Supporting Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    League City, Tx
    Personally, I'd go J even though I'm more of a P guy. That back pup can really help define the low B if needed.
     
  4. bobyoung53

    bobyoung53 Supporting Member

    I'd definitely go with a Precision, I don't know how much if any tension turning a 4 string into a BEAD bass adds but Precision necks are a LOT stronger and thicker sounding. Woops just reread your post, I would still go with a Precision for the thicker tone.
     
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  5. Mushroo

    Mushroo Guest

    Apr 2, 2007
    I'm a P guy but vote J for low B. The bridge pickup brings clarity to the lowest notes. PJ could also be an option to consider.
     
  6. jmattbassplaya

    jmattbassplaya Supporting Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    Check some vids on YouTube to see which sounds best to you. Personally, I vote J since it'll give you a bit more options to shape the low end.
     
  7. HaphAsSard

    HaphAsSard

    Dec 1, 2013
    Italia
    None; in fact it subtracts quite a lot... :D
    My post from a P+BEAD thread, with a link to another:
    The above written, I'd be interesting in trying a BEAD-tuned PJ, as Mushroo mentioned.
     
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  8. Wisebass

    Wisebass

    Jan 12, 2017
    Lost in Space
    no warning for me :Dget a 5er!!

    03042017106 - Copie.jpg

    MM rocks on a 5er and BEAD too :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

    Wise(b)ass
     
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  9. bobyoung53

    bobyoung53 Supporting Member

    Interesting, I thought the opposite.
     
  10. I'll confirm this. When I went from standard tuned 50-115 to 70-128 BEAD on my EB-0L, the tension decreased by quite a margin, and I had to loosen the truss rod.

    As for the OP's question: my vote goes to Jazz Bass between the two. The two pickup setting will definitely help define the sound of that low B string more precisely.
     
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  11. HaphAsSard

    HaphAsSard

    Dec 1, 2013
    Italia
    It comes up fairly frequently, so you're not alone in the least. Still, the equal tension pairings I provided above, namely .04" G = .135" B - actually scratch that and adjust to .13" B* -, .045" G = .145 B and so on, are more or less supported by tension charts by every string manufacturer who bothered to put out one:
    http://www.daddario.com/upload/tension_chart_13934.pdf (also see their "family tension charts", e.g. here, with updated tension values - the .pdf is oldish)
    http://www.ghsrep.net/uploads/2/2/2/5/22258814/ghs_bass_string_guide.pdf
    http://store.kaliumstrings.com/TensionCalculator/tensionChart.php?scale_length=34
    with occasional exceptions (for example GHS Bass Boomers appear to have a more massive than usual .13").
    *So yeah, indeed you may have a tension increase if you went from a EADG tuning with a 40 G and a BEAD tuning with identical EAD and a 135 low B, but usually a slight one. If, on the other hand, one's G string of choice (heads out of gutters please) is .045" or thicker, no low B under .145 has higher tension.

    EDIT - I've reread that quoted post of mine and I'd actually said it right the first time, no real need to correct it: "[ i]f [...] your usual G on that bass is a .04, after removing it [...] and effectively replacing it with a B, the latter is not gonna be tighter than the G unless it has a gauge of .135 or higher". :D
     
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  12. NKBassman

    NKBassman Lvl 10 Nerd

    Jun 16, 2009
    Winnipeg, MB, Canada
    Go with whatever you prefer for EADG tuning, the basic character will be the same.
    A bridge pickup does help to add some overtones and clarity/definition to the low B.

    I converted my Jazz to BEAD for a while when I started playing more modern country, but eventually I found myself missing the high G enough to switch to a 5-string for that band.
     
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  13. Treebeard

    Treebeard

    Jun 5, 2016
    Cary, NC
    Bear Light Symphony, TimepeaceNC Band
    J for sure. That's coming from a P man.
     
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  14. AngelCrusher

    AngelCrusher

    Sep 12, 2004
    Mesa Boogie, Tech 21, Taylor
    I do 4 string P and octave pedal. Sounds amazing and i dont lose a G string or need a low B.

    For lows i just play low E string. 7th fret and up when i need a boomer. Just have to be good with turning the pedal on and off.
     
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  15. BillMason

    BillMason

    Mar 6, 2007
    Makes perfect sense - the more tension on a string, the higher the frequency, so the G is the highest tension string of the set. Removing it and replacing it with a floppy old B string should relieve a lot of tension.
     
  16. LT131

    LT131

    Jan 25, 2015
    Deep South
    That's how I'm handling it now. But, I would like to use my pedal more as an effect. Basically I'm trying to create an excuse to build another bass!
     
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  17. NKBassman

    NKBassman Lvl 10 Nerd

    Jun 16, 2009
    Winnipeg, MB, Canada
    Also depends on the physical construction of the string... material selection, round VS hex core, etc...
    Generally B strings are substantially lower tension than the rest of the set, though. I typically prefer large B strings (0.135ish) compared to what is usually provided in most 5-string sets.
     
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  18. River Runner

    River Runner

    Sep 23, 2014
    I think it just has to do with the P pickup (being split) doesn't lend itself to 5 as easily as a J pickup. On a split P, do you make one half wider than the other half? And if so, does the wider half have longer windings (higher DC resistance - different resonant peak?). There is no real standard for a 5 string P pickup. EMG makes both halves the same size but with a wider rail under the three string side (and I see these get installed incorrectly as it's not visible which side has the wider rail) and Yamaha makes one side wider with three sets of pole pieces and different winding length/resistance. etc.

    At least that's my take on why the 5 string P isn't as common P_5.png
     
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  19. Lo-E

    Lo-E

    Dec 19, 2009
    Brooklyn, NY
    I had a P/J strung BEAD many years ago and I seem to remember liking it just fine.

    As others have stated, the basic characteristics of P or J-ness remain even when you switch to BEAD, so whichever you prefer should work equally well. You may, in fact, have a bit more clarity from the bridge p'up of a J, but the prominent mids of a P p'up will still do fine IMO.

    For the record, putting a P neck on a J body has never resulted in getting struck by lightning as far as I know, but I'm not saying it couldn't happen! ;)
     
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  20. knumbskull

    knumbskull

    Jul 28, 2007
    UK
    Both will work fine, but what surprised me is how well a P takes low tunings. I took mine down to low A and that low mid bump worked great.

    Of course it depends on what kind of sound you need - each one will sound like what it is.
     
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