Part 2: I'm still Frustrated with the Band!

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by 51PRI, Jul 12, 2021.

  1. 51PRI


    Aug 7, 2014
    So now we're "trying" to rehearse and it's becoming more and more apparent that the guitar players (1) are lazy and don't want to actually learn anything new that takes any time or takes them out of their comfort zones, and (2) what they will do as " new to us" is old songs, like I mentioned in the other thread, which they often learn wrong, with mistakes, or leaving out parts. Example: G7 on a turnaround when it's obviously Gm but they always played a G7 and can't hear the Gm and won't heard it or re-learn it.


    Do I want to be "that guy" in the band who has to end up fighting guitar players to try to get things right or should I just relax and play the songs wrong, too?
  2. DirtDog


    Jun 7, 2002
    The Deep North
    Not if you don’t want to.

    Three choices: stay and suck it up as-is, leave on your own terms or try to change the behaviours.

    I’d personally be leaving that situation.
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  3. MrLenny1


    Jan 17, 2009
    New England
    There's always one guy or two that's an issue in the band.
    Fighting 2 guitar players sounds worthless to me.
    Good luck.
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  4. Drog


    Feb 3, 2020
    Do like I did and leave that kind of band situation. It took all of one day to find a new project and I am much happier.
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  5. RattleSnack


    Sep 22, 2011
    If band has potential to gig, and audience that will listen to it - go with the flow.
    While you are playing with them, nothing's stopping you from starting your own project - choose folks that think like you and go from there.
  6. Yes, because even if you’re right you’ll be viewed as “the troublemaker”. I can just hear their excuses:

    “That’s the way we’ve always done it. Nobody’s ever complained.”
    “The audience doesn’t care.”
    “Look, just play the damn song!”
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  7. You can’t make them become better guitar players if they don’t want to get better. If this is just a hobby band, are you willing to look the other way because they are a good hang? If this is a working band, they’re not working, they’re coasting.

    I once quit a band after two rehearsals. The two GPS were not very good, and they were loud. I asked them to turn down and they didn’t. So I quit. They weren’t happy with me because they had a gig booked, but my happiness was more important to me than theirs.
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  8. Can’t and won’t present a huge obstacle. Not being able to hear the difference between major and minor would drive me nuts. I think I would have to leave the group unless the money was really good.

    Your posts illustrates why so many cover bands are forgettable. Lazy, mediocre musicians who don’t care about quality.
  9. FrenchBassQC

    FrenchBassQC Supporting Member

    Jul 13, 2011
    Gatineau QC CA
    I agree with @RattleSnack, but if it is to the point where you can't stand it anymore... just leave and look for other musicians to start a new project.
  10. This is another common problem: band members who aren’t team players (the guitarists that is). It’s bad enough with only one loud guitarist!
  11. WillyW

    WillyW l’art pour l’art, fonction de baise Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2019
    There are more gee-tar players than bass players, that's why y'all have more than one.
  12. beatmachine pro

    beatmachine pro Inactive

    Jun 13, 2021
    you have to let them learn the songs,...their learning style is to make mistakes
    so you have a good challenge as a bassist trying to make it sound harmonized
    so you got to get the guitar players to learn as many songs as they can
    try playing real simple behind them...then after 3000 times you can break out

    if the other players are bad at least you can play more...

    as long as everyone plays it the wrong the same you can claim your so good you can rewite famous songs,...
  13. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    When I was starting out, I would have stayed. After a few thankfully short lived band disasters like yours, I luckily got into a band with some pro members that was constantly adding material (about 400 songs over 7 years) and never looked back.

    How badly do you need to play with these guys? A situation like that is like having some sand in your shoes, the small things will be all you can think about.
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  14. edencab


    Aug 14, 2013
    Toronto, On
    during rehearsal, play the Gm as a B or some other clam and see what they say...then you can say "see it makes a difference if you play the wrong notes!"
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  15. DJ Bebop

    DJ Bebop Suspended

    Jan 11, 2003
    Pacific Wonderland
    My answer...

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  16. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    context is everything . I’ve played plenty of songs “ wrong” where the chart we play off of didn’t match exactly a certain recording. Some tweaking of the harmony may be forgivable. Also in a blues context a Gm bass line under a G7 is entirely acceptable

    so how right or wrong the guitarists are really depends on the song and what it might allow in terms of interpretation
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  17. TheReceder


    Jul 12, 2010
    Similar situation. Rhythm player that typically runs the band says he's been playing something "that way for years" and it's too hard to relearn.

    My response is "well, I don't want to learn it wrong and end out years later telling people it's too tough to relearn" Then I'll recommend we just drop the song. That usually forces their hand to either learn it, or drop a song that they wanted in the setlist that would have grated on my nerves every time we played it.
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  18. AGCurry

    AGCurry Supporting Member

    Jun 29, 2005
    St. Louis
    These two statements - I've heard them more times than I can count - cause me to lose respect for the speaker. If we aren't our own most-stringent critics, we don't improve.
  19. DJ Bebop

    DJ Bebop Suspended

    Jan 11, 2003
    Pacific Wonderland
    Yep, there are only three options.
    1. Get better
    2. Stay the same
    3. Get worse
    I always shoot for the first one :)
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  20. mrcbass


    Jan 14, 2016
    Sacramento, CA
    Perpetual lack of practice is a deal breaker for me. I can tolerate a lot, but I won't put up with someone who is never ready. If it's the BL or someone otherwise entrenched in the band, I'm gone. If not, I tell the BL: "him or me - you decide how to fix this, but I'm out of patience."