Pedal arrangement.

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by HMZ, Jun 8, 2020.

  1. HMZ

    HMZ Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2003
    USA-Mineola
    I have a MXR M81 that is basically and outboard preamp. The next pedal is a Boss tuner and then a TC Electronics Chorus pedal.

    My question is what order should I arrange them in?
     
  2. 40Hz

    40Hz Supporting Member

    May 24, 2006
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    I’d do: Tuner>Chorus>M81 and leave the amp’s EQ set flat.

    Others might prefer to see: tuner>M81>Chorus

    Basically the tuner will always come first if it’s in the chain and not being fed by a tuner out jack on the amp. After that it’s whatever arrangement sounds best to you. Don’t be afraid to experiment and try it both ways.
     
  3. HMZ

    HMZ Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2003
    USA-Mineola
    See my thinking was if the the bass was active to start with it would go M81>Tuner>Chorus
     
  4. 40Hz

    40Hz Supporting Member

    May 24, 2006
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    I personally can’t see the point of stacking two preamps and EQ stages (active bass and M81) on top of each other like that. Done that way and it becomes difficult to know which is doing precisely what to the sound. And putting anything in front of the tuner just makes it more difficult for the tuner most times.
     
  5. HMZ

    HMZ Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2003
    USA-Mineola
    No its a passive Fender jazz bass. What i meant was IF it was a active bass it would go active bass/preamp>Tuner>Chorus>
     
  6. Zbysek

    Zbysek

    Mar 23, 2017
    Czech Republic
    Do you use DI output on MXR? In that case, I would go: tuner - chorus - preamp

    If you don’t, I would go: preamp - tuner - chorus
     
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  7. HMZ

    HMZ Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2003
    USA-Mineola
    I’m not using the DI out.
    That’s the arrangement I was thinking. Preamp-tuner-chorus.
     
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  8. If you are not using the DI out, then I think that the differences in pedal order in this case are going to be pretty much negligible. The placement of that chorus would be much more relevant if you had some dirt in there, but with an all-clean signal I doubt you'll hear any differences.

    I tend to go tuner first, but I don't think it's going to affect its functionality if it goes later on the chain. I personally put chorus before clean preamps, but it's mostly because it's easier to place them like that on my pedalboard :laugh:
     
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  9. TreySonagras

    TreySonagras

    Aug 11, 2013
    Texas
    My board is tuner-chorus-delay-preamp-amp/PA
     
  10. jmattbassplaya

    jmattbassplaya Supporting Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    No reason to put anything in front of the tuner (with maybe exception to a floor wah). If your tuner acts as a mute for your rig and your pre is acting as a DI out then you’ll send signal to the house even when you’re supposed to be muted.
     
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  11. 40Hz

    40Hz Supporting Member

    May 24, 2006
    home
    I’d still put the tuner first.

    The less in front of it the easier it is for the tuner to lock on to the note it’s checking.

    Most tuners also act as transparent buffers. That allows them to negate any loading caused by the cable coming from the guitar. So you have a better quality signal for the pedals downstream to work with. ;
     
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  12. HMZ

    HMZ Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2003
    USA-Mineola
    This is true. I’m not using the DI on this but I do like the tuner first to use as a mute.
     
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  13. micguy

    micguy

    May 17, 2011
    The Boss tuner has a buffer in it - that will do you some good no matter where it's located the cable coming out of your pedalboard won't load your bass. Typically I'd put it first, then the preamp, then the chorus. Chorus pedals are often noisy, so having that after the preamp means you can add some level with the preamp, and help the signal to noise of the whole signal chain by having more signal at the chorus pedal to "drown out" its noise a bit.

    The one exception would be if the other pedals are noisy, it might make sense in some cases to put the tuner last, so you can mute yourself, and kill that noise.
     
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  14. Zbysek

    Zbysek

    Mar 23, 2017
    Czech Republic
    The other reason to put tuner last would be to be able to mute the signal in case there was something wrong with the signal chain before it: broken patch cable between pedals, accidentally unplugged power source etc. However, chorus would need to be switched off for tuning...
     
  15. Eddie LeBlanc

    Eddie LeBlanc

    Oct 26, 2014
    Beaumont, Texas
    Don't create no problem, won't be no problem.
    Tuner 1st Amigo. You don't want anything that can even have the slightest effect of the signal, to inhibit your PROPER tuning. If you do, you are asking for possible trouble. Just my $0.02.
     
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  16. Killing Floor

    Killing Floor Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2020
    Austin, TX
    I remember the rhyme from college.

    Chorus before tuner, disonnance sooner,
    preamp into chorus, crowd can't ignore us.

    Something like that. The trick is to rhyme the last part with chorus.
     
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  17. Eddie LeBlanc

    Eddie LeBlanc

    Oct 26, 2014
    Beaumont, Texas
    Don't create no problem, won't be no problem.
    in that order right to left
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  18. Low Down Brown

    Low Down Brown Supporting Member

    Jan 8, 2018
    Erf


    ^^^
    These :thumbsup:
     
  19. NortyFiner

    NortyFiner Drunken Sailor Gold Supporting Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Portsmouth VA USA
    Tuner first; it needs a clean signal from your bass to latch onto.

    When I used a M81, it was the last thing on my board before the signal went to the amp.
     
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