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Pedal order / buffer advice

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by leavetheconnoli, Feb 13, 2019.


  1. leavetheconnoli

    leavetheconnoli Supporting Member

    May 21, 2017
    New York
    hi im building a small board and dont want to comprise my tone and have it suck.

    Im thinking of going passive fender >> Ebs comp (truebypass) >> Ehx synth (truebypass) >> TC Polytune (buffered) to amp.

    Im thinking max of 22 feet combined quality cables.

    Any thoughts appreciated
     
  2. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY
    Generally speaking you need the buffer with long runs and long pedal-chains. I don't think you've got either here. If you DID you'd want the buffer early in your signal chain not later, so you'd want to put your Polytune first in that line. I personally prefer my tuner last but then I start my signal chain with a buffered pedal (the Cali 76 CB).
     
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  3. I would also suggest running the buffered tuner first but also that you shouldn't have a problem with a board that small and a 20' cable.
     
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  4. Spidey2112

    Spidey2112

    Aug 3, 2016
    What's a typical symptom of using long runs of cabling, without the buffering?
     
  5. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY
    Loss of high end in your tone.
     
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  6. Spidey2112

    Spidey2112

    Aug 3, 2016
    The impedance of the cable, maybe? How long of a run are we talking?
     
  7. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY
    Yep. Impedance of the cable and/or any effects between bass and amp. Remember pedals have an impedance load as well.
     
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  8. leavetheconnoli

    leavetheconnoli Supporting Member

    May 21, 2017
    New York
    So I could get away with forgetting a buffer and buying a polytune with true bypass without degradation?
     
  9. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY
    Yeah, you could. Or you could just get the Polytune 3 for when you inevitably trade that little board for a larger one.
     
  10. leavetheconnoli

    leavetheconnoli Supporting Member

    May 21, 2017
    New York
    Thats good lol. Why the polytone 3?
     
  11. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD Supporting Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY
    They don't all have the buffer, right? I've got the original one and it doesn't.
     
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  12. Make it easy and just get a switcher. The GigRig quartermaster series is awesome and I’ve heard good things about the One Control Xenagama.
     
  13. micguy

    micguy

    May 17, 2011
    As someone else noted, impedances of other effects' inputs, whether they're on or off, can result in subtle tone changes that aren't cable related. I like a buffered tuner first, as it deals with all of that nicely.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2019
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  14. leavetheconnoli

    leavetheconnoli Supporting Member

    May 21, 2017
    New York
    All very useful info.
     
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  15. BurtMacklinFBI

    BurtMacklinFBI Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2018
    Are you planning on leaving the compressor on all the time? If so, that’ll amount to a buffer. Either way, with a pedal chain that short you should be fine even with the buffered tuner at the end. I wouldn’t go with a true bypass tuner, you’ll want at least one buffer. You don’t need one, but since you’re using pedals anyway there’s no good reason not to.
     
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  16. JohnnyBottom

    JohnnyBottom Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2002
    New Jersey
    I think, is it true? that if a truebypass pedal is ON then it is now buffered as well now.
    Edit: OOPs answered in prev post.
     
  17. leavetheconnoli

    leavetheconnoli Supporting Member

    May 21, 2017
    New York
    Yes i will keep always on, it is true bypass also.
     
  18. BurtMacklinFBI

    BurtMacklinFBI Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2018
    If it’ll be always on then it doesn’t matter that it’s true bypass, the compression circuit itself will buffer your signal. True bypass or buffered bypass only refer to when the pedal is off.
     
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  19. n1as

    n1as

    Mar 29, 2013
    Unless you're going to have all your pedals bypassed, then you don't need to worry about a buffer. Any of those pedals engaged will be a buffer.

    Keep the comp on all the time and you're good.

    Keep the tuner last so it can serve as a mute to cut your bass plus pedal hissssss from the mains.
     
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  20. 40Hz

    40Hz Supporting Member

    Rather than speculate endlessly why not just plug it all together as you described and see what you think about the sound you’re getting? If it sounds good - it’s good. If it doesn't, drop a buffer in there and see if it fixes things.

    As someone pointed out earlier, the Polytune 3 stage tuners have built in buffering. You can even turn the buffering on or off. Since you’ll probably want a tuner anyway, that’s an economical way to get a buffer.
     

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