People trying to scam you!

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by taylorro, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    So my band played at a battle of the bands last night and we won. No big deal we didn't go into it with the mindset of we got this, but more of the we just want to play. We go on to a final round in the next few months. Well after the show this guy comes up to us and is telling us he works as a talent scout for Empire Records. Tells us that he is going to tell his boss about us, and how the studio/label has recorded big names like White chapel, Panic At The Disco!, and more. and we are all playing along like he is a real talent scout, but we have a pretty good idea he is a fake. reasons beng
    1. No business cards, or anything to show us his connection with "Empire Records"
    2. He said they have a location in New York and Washington, yet there is no info on either
    3. His sister came up and talked to him while talking to us (what talent agent would bring friends and a sister to a show)
    4. Empire Records is a movie, I've never heard of that label let alone a studio. and the only empire records I could find is in the UK
    5. He was telling us about the studio saying they have top of the line gear. And told me the amp the studio likes to use a B2r with a 810. The B2r is no where near top of the line.

    Anyone else have people who try to scam you/ tell you that they are someone they are not like this?
  2. davidjackson


    Sep 10, 2011
    It's happened to me a few times though usually more by 'agents' who can supposedly get us top paying gigs at prestigous events.

    You learn to spot them after a while.

    In my experience, anybody serious at a gig will briefly introduce themselves, give you their contact details, and ask you to give them a call.
  3. Ohhhh yeah - like you said the red flags are pretty easy to spot - common sense is always your friend
  4. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    Right thats what we though, If Empire Records is so big then why would a Talent Agent not introduce himself, not have cards or even a name for us, and disappear after the show.

    pretty fishy
  5. GlennW

    GlennW Inactive

    Sep 6, 2006
    A lot of people like to approach bands and act like they have connections to this or that.

    It's their way of "being part of the scene" (in their minds).
  6. Was his sister hot? :D
  7. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    Not even in the slightest lol
  8. I had this dude try to scam me one time. told me i only had to sell 30 tickets to play at his establishment.
  9. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    Yeah we actually play venues like that, its not such a bad deal sometimes. Some venues hand us tickets and say sell what you can and keep so much profit of every ticket sold. and some say you have to sell 10 or 20 then anything after that's yours. The Pike Room in Pontiac Michigan makes you sell 20, and The Crofoot in Pontiac Michigan (Same Owner) makes you sell 50. Now you cant play the Crofoot unless you've played the pike room "x" amount of times and proved yourself. But when we play the pike room we usually walk away with $600 and one time we walked away with $1000 and free studio time for selling so much and that doesn't include what we make in merch. So I really like that deal. where we play a place closer to home and we bring double the people and only make $50 and they charge $10 to get in to see 6 bands. Now that's a scam, we should be making a lot more then that.
  10. Factor88


    Jun 21, 2011
    OP, I'm confused, what exactly was this person trying to scam your band for for? Money? Drinks? Introductions to hot groupies?
  11. And usually after all the "talk up" the conversation will lead to you and the band having to pay for the service of nothing. It's like the Amway schemes of the 70's and 80's. I have encountered several of these people in my many years of gigging. You will eventually learn to spot the fakes from the real people.
  12. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    Its not so much a scam as pretending to be someone you're not. I mean he was asking for a CD to give to his boss. Which you could tell he wanted for free. We obviously didn't give it to him. But its just why act like some high up person, and not just be a fan or music lover or whatever you want. No need to try to make yourself sound cooler, because it just makes you sound dumb.
  13. Factor88


    Jun 21, 2011
    That answers my question, he wanted a CD for free.

    So, if he would have just said, "hey I'm a big music lover and you guys are great", then you would have given him a free CD?

    Or sometimes it might get a free CD from some band not as "scam aware" as you guys. Which I imagine must occasionally work. The reason people run scams, or pretend to be someone thay are not, is because it works, sometimes.
  14. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    True, that it does work on some people. But it doesnt make it right. Getting that free CD or whatever is hurting that band that is trying to just cover gas costs or whatever.

    and no we don't normally give out free CD's. We have 2 tracks up for free download and the rest is on our CD. I mean we gave a free CD to the guy who Recorded/Mixed/Mastered our stuff and one to a friend who has really helped us. But other than that no, we all purchased the CD from the band.
  15. nojj

    nojj Guest

    May 20, 2013
    I usually answer "Have your people talk to my people"

    Did have one 'promoter' spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get me to bag some prior commitments to do "his" stuff.
    (Much longer drive for little more money)
    The band got insistent about it, and I wound up quitting after being strong-armed.
    "Didn't I replace a bassist who would can your gigs for $10 more? D'ya REALLY want that?"

    Long story short: Their "hot-spit" replacement bassist lasted maybe 2 months or so,
    and then I got a call from the band saying that I was right,
    the promoter was misrepresenting himself, and handed me a sh*tload of gigs.
  16. AngelCrusher


    Sep 12, 2004
    Mesa Boogie, Tech 21, Taylor
    Panic At The Disco was on Fueled By Ramen and is a WB band. I have never heard of Empire records and believe this guy is a joker.

    No business cards is not the end of the world though. I scout for a WB label and have none. But, I never ask for anything. I talk to the bands and just ask some general questions about where they are at in terms of recording, touring..etc.

    I never ask for a CD. I hate carrying them around and can find the music online anyway. 9/10 the band gives me one, but I never ask.

    It is easy to prove my connection because if I can sell the A&R on the band, I just bring him to the next show.

    Hope that helps.
  17. Gaolee

    Gaolee Official leathers tester and crash dummy

    We have a sure-fire way to solve that problem. We suck and we have no CDs. If anybody comes up and says he's a talent scout, we know he just wants to talk to our singer, who is cute. Or the drummer, who is also cute. Nobody wants to talk to me or the guitar player, who is also an ugly old guy instead of a good looking young girl.
  18. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    Right, one we knew what label PATD and the other bands he threw around was on, I have a friend whose band is signed to Fueled by Ramen or rather was and just left.

    This guy was just name throwing. And the business cards weren't the red flag as much as he wouldn't give us his name, or some form of contact. and yeah Empire Records doesn't exist i've looked everywhere just to see where he got the name from

    Like you said why ask for a CD just type in the bands name on google. We have music on Spotify, iTunes, Youtube, Google Play, and so many more. There is no need to request they give you a CD.
  19. marko138


    May 24, 2013
    Perry County PA
    My band gives out a lot of cds for free. Why? Because I'd rather give one away and make a fan than lose a guy over a couple bucks. I'm not saying give them all away. Sell them. You should.

    Last gig we played the sound guy came up to me after our set and said he enjoyed our music. Asked how much our cds were. I told him for sound guys they are free. My policy is to make friends with the sound guy.

    Also, I'm sure as $hit not buying my own band's cd, if that's what you mean by your last sentence.
  20. taylorro


    May 30, 2013
    Yeah I'm not saying make someone angry over a CD. and for sure make friends with sound guys. Last night I spent a good hour talking to the sound guy and it paid off. He offered us recording time at his studio in Detroit, and a spot on a music fest he put on called Dirt Fest, its here in Michigan. A lot of big names play. But we don't just hand out CD's after every show. If someone really digs the music and we see them coming to shows we will throw them a shirt or something. I mean there are those individuals who giving a free CD to is justifiable. But as a band, we aren't trying to go broke.

    for us a CD purchase can really help us out we drive between 45min to 2:30hrs for a show, because of where we live. We don't sell our stuff for that much either. our CD's are $4, they are professionally made and the recordings are very good quality.

    And what I mean by we pay for them, is we put in the time to produce them, and shelled out money for the recordings or whatever we needed. I mean we pay $200 for 100 CD's printed and in cases not sleeves. and that's a good deal.