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persona non grata

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by mingustoo, Oct 21, 2003.


  1. I was supposed to play a show last night in Seattle with my band (Milk) and Guardian
    Alien (greatest band in the world). I was travelling from Vancouver when i was refused entry intoAmerica because of an eleven year old Canadian conviction for possession of marijuana....HELLO! That was 11 years ago!! Is American society so fragile that I am considered a threat to it? To my mmany great American friends: Take back your country from the religious extremists that now control it. You have far less to fear from Iraq and North Korea than you do from your own White House. Go back and look at the founding fathers. Read what they (especially James Madison) wrote about democracy and the dangers of interest groups. Compare the warnings with the present state of your country. Rant over.

    ****to heavy duty-no it wasn't a felony***great avatar!
     
  2. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    Was it a felony conviction?

    Actually, unless you're a US citizen, you really don't have the right to criticize. IMO, that is. Sorry, but it's the sad truth. Want to change the US? Move here, become a citizen, and work from within.

    By the way, political threads aren't allowed here in OT. Since you're not a supporting member that has access to the Lounge, I suggest you delete this thread to save the OT mods the trouble of doing the same.
     
  3. PhatBasstard

    PhatBasstard Spector Dissector Supporting Member

    Feb 3, 2002
    Las Vegas, NV.
    I have nothing to add to the thread subject....
    but HeavyDuty's avatar had me on the floor!

    LMAO! I wonder how many have noticed (or how many haven't)? Great Humor!
    :D :D :D
     
  4. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    Actually, I can't claim the avatar - it's swiped from part of a 72beetle creation. Cracked me up, too.

    Sorry if I sounded pissy last night. I'm not trying to say the USA is above reproach - my comment was more aimed at the fact immigration and customs law is a country's own prerogative. Since it wasn't a felony, I'm stumped about why they barred you.

    And yes, this is Misc, not OT. My bad.
     
  5. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member


  6. i think this particular talkbass policy is absolutely ludicrous. since when did artists become so uptight that they can't share political discourse and debate on social, cultural and geopolitical topics? artists & musicians have a proud history of political involvement and pushing for social change. why button our lips now?

    have we turned into dan quayle and now fear the "cultural elite?", and thus have decided it's better to quash ideas and beliefs?

    we have the gift of free speech in the u.s., let's put it to use. getting into the head that we suddenly can't speak our mind, or deciding that certain topics are off topic is, well... censorship!

    of course i can understand some of the thinking behind the policy, [eg; flame wars, insulting people, etc], but so what? are we such friggin babies that we can't bare to hear another person's opinion? if that's the case, don't get involved in a discussion. at the very least, educate yourself enough to have a sensible response.

    and to those who feel that people from other countries aren't entitled to an opinion on u.s. policy, i suggest keeping that in mind next time you have a thought on iraq's, iran's or canada's policies and doctrines.


    'we have nothing to fear but fear itself.' censorship is the enemy of the people -- and who needs any more enemies than we already have!


    down with censorship!:mad:


    mad meeks
     
  7. thrash_jazz

    thrash_jazz

    Jan 11, 2002
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    Artist: JAF Basses, Circle K Strings
    Sorry, I love America, but I really dislike your customs officers. Just because I'm not a U.S. citizen doesn't make my opinion invalid.

    For the most part, the customs officers I have dealt with are some of the rudest, tactless and callous people I have ever seen. (some exceptions, of course) All of my friends from the U.S. agree.

    Don't judge the U.S. by its customs officers. Once you get them over with, the country becomes a whole lot nicer.
     
  8. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Well - laudable sentiments - but how would you implement that - how would you insist that people are "educated enough" before they take part in a debate?

    I'm afraid that is effectively impossible to enforce!! :meh:
     
  9. secretdonkey

    secretdonkey

    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX
    This thread is more about politics than music, so I don't think it's likely to survive moderator scrutiny. All the same, I agree with what you're saying, mingustoo...
     
  10. Phat Ham

    Phat Ham

    Feb 13, 2000
    DC
    talkbass is a privately owned bulletin board, so free speech does not apply (to an extent). As far as the laws of talkbass, the forum rules are our constitution and Paul is the totalitarian dictator.
     
  11. megiddo

    megiddo

    Apr 5, 2003
    Houston, Texas
    Hey mingustoo,

    Sorry you were denied entry to the US. You'll have to forgive us about being a bit cautious of the people coming into our country after that whole 9-11 thing. I think President Bush is doing an excellent job and so do about 70% of the liberated Iraqi people. If my brother "religious extremists" were truely in control of this country we wouldn't be killing the babies of any woman who chooses to part with $450 and her baby.

    All that said, if I were a customs agent all you would have to do is tell me that you are the bass player in your band (and a fellow TBer) and I'd let you in in a heart beat. :D

    Peace
     
  12. And we're on the clock. I predict that this thread will be declared political and closed in less than 2 hours.

    It is currently 1:30 PM, Minnesota time.
     
  13. By the way, for a modest fee you can become a supporting member and have access to the lounge where political discussions are welcomed with open arms.;)
     
  14. secretdonkey

    secretdonkey

    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX
    For a mere $20, you can spew this kinda stuff to your heart's content in the lounge. Posting thread-closing zingers like this in Misc/OT (when did this thread get moved to OT?) just makes the baby Jesus cry... :(
     
  15. I heard that by the year 2050 50% of americans will be in jail or on parole. I think this is an overstatement but I think we need to change our laws. come on. sending people to jail for drug use??? send them to rehab. You turn people into criminals by sending them to jail.

    pot should be legal too. I don't do the stuff but god have you ever scene anybody on their death bed?

    I'm done. no wait no i'm not. Reform Health care into a socialist system, Flat Taxes, quit blowing up countries for fun, more money for schools....

    Sorry I just got out of a sociology class. Talking about social problems pisses me clean off.
     
  16. P. Aaron

    P. Aaron Supporting Member

    This does go both ways. My cousin who hails from Ottawa has difficulties coming and going to and from. My wife and I understand the hardline. We don't like it but,it's their job.
     
  17. P. Aaron

    P. Aaron Supporting Member

    I can understand your frustration.
     
  18. secretdonkey

    secretdonkey

    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Thanks, P. I know we generally have completely opposite takes on political matters, so it's nice of you to say...

    :)
     
  19. megiddo

    megiddo

    Apr 5, 2003
    Houston, Texas
    It's been a while since I spewed a zinger, though during my recent bout with the flu I did hurl chunks :D I don't know what's in my previous post that would make the baby Jesus cry. :rolleyes:

    I will be sending in my $20 to become a supporting member shortly. It will be the best 20 bucks I've spent in a long time! :cool: