Petracchi?

Discussion in 'Orchestral Technique [DB]' started by Steve Freides, Jun 2, 2020.

  1. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Former Mannes College Theory Faculty Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Ridgewood, NJ
    Anyone else know this exercise? I'm looking to find it in print somewhere for a student - it's something I was shown years ago but I don't recall the origin, save that I think it was Petracchi but I'm not finding it in "Simplified Higher Technique ..."
     

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  2. Yes, it is a great one. I do it with an octave now, instead of a fifth as regular warm up! Really gets you right quickly!
     
  3. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Former Mannes College Theory Faculty Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Ridgewood, NJ
    Ah, but can you tell me where to find it in print? That is the $64,000 question! I just put in 3 bars worth in Sibelius so I didn't have to try to explain it. And I honestly forget how it works in thumb position but I know it changes. I generally just did it up to there and stopped.

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  4. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Former Mannes College Theory Faculty Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Ridgewood, NJ
  5. No thumb, 3 replaces 4.
     
  6. Andy Mopley

    Andy Mopley

    Sep 24, 2011
     
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  7. Thomas Allin

    Thomas Allin

    Dec 30, 2017
    Gothenburg
    Variation C of exercise 7 comes closest I think. Page 12.
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  8. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Former Mannes College Theory Faculty Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Ridgewood, NJ
    @Thomas Allin, I agree and I thought the same thing when I went through the book, but is this (what I showed in my example) really an exercise no one has written down?

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  9. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Former Mannes College Theory Faculty Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Ridgewood, NJ
    The way I was taught this, there was thumb, and the notes changed. If memory serves, when you got to C with your first finger on the 2nd string, you added an Eb with your thumb on the first string in addition to 3 on G.

    Just tried it on the bass - that's close, but I can't remember now the exact way it went in terms of how the extra note got added.

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  10. I think you are thinking of a great exercise from Bradetich that was going around based on triads across two strings. It is also great and I also do it everyday.
     
  11. Thomas Allin

    Thomas Allin

    Dec 30, 2017
    Gothenburg
    Or maybe that is the second half of exercise #9?
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  12. Thomas Allin

    Thomas Allin

    Dec 30, 2017
    Gothenburg
    It is funny because in school (in the eighties) we always thought of your variation with the extra fifth added as THE Petracchi exercise. So maybe it does origin from himself but somehow didn't make it to the book?
     
  13. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Former Mannes College Theory Faculty Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Ridgewood, NJ
    @Thomas Allin, every time a new message appears in this thread, I am _more_ anxious to find printed music for this. Would that I'd have practiced it enough to remember it - maybe if I just keep trying, the rest will come back to me.

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  14. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Former Mannes College Theory Faculty Supporting Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    Ridgewood, NJ
    @Thomas Allin, if you remember the thumb stuff, could you write out one measure of it and send it to me? Scan or phone picture or whatever works for you. Thanks. If you want to email, PM and I'll give you my email.

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  15. Thomas Allin

    Thomas Allin

    Dec 30, 2017
    Gothenburg
    I see, I wasn't clear. Sorry about that! I do not know of an exercise that changes when it gets into thumb position. With "Your variation" I meant the 3 bars in the your pdf that is like Petracchis 7.c. but with an extra fifth in the middle. I think the exercise is meant to be played using the same pattern in thumb position.