I was searching through lots of discussions on the forum regarding wrist pain from the strain of fretting the first few frets, and other RSI problems due to the bass guitar's asymmetric playing position. Lots of remarks too about other pain due to neck diving basses preventing a more ergonomic playing angle. They *all* want to go horizontal, by the way--it's just a question of degree. The best solution I see recommended is for a strap that has enough friction to hold the bass's angle against its unbalanced weight. I've never found a strap that worked this way comfortably enough for me. Yet I've always wanted to translate the playing angle of the Chapman Stick to bass guitar. I don't have a Stick any more, but I do have a Ztar mini-z that I use for two-hand tapping (it has strings too), which is the most comfortable guitar-esque instrument I've ever played because you can even sit it vertically on your lap. From this vertical experience, and also looking at pictures of people playing Warr guitars, I had the idea of attaching my 10lb. 6-string bass guitar's strap locks to the outer edge of both horns, then playing it Warr-style, but fingering, not tapping or picking. In this configuration, I'm able to use the slider strap that so many people on this forum have reported as unusable for bass guitar, even though the even distribution of weight onto both shoulders would be desirable. This is working out really well, the only downside being that the playing position is limited when sitting down because the neck contacts my chest at frets 6-8 and my plucking hand can't reach down to the pickups when sitting because it contacts my right leg. Standing, however, the bass rests naturally at about a 20-degree angle with the neck about two inches from my cheek at the first fret. The neck is away from my body down to the 14th fret, past which you have to fret double-bass style anyway (you lose the pinky option) due to the changed wrist position. The right hand fingering angle is perfectly fine, but a little changed, and the whole neck is just visible if I need to look down. As an additional technigue, plucking over the neck, around fret 12, is extremely comfortable (the Stick playing position), although the resulting tone has limited use. As a whole, this Warr-style position with the slider strap is entirely strain free on the wrists and shoulders, and doesn't limit plucking-style technique except when sitting down. Using a pick is out, and the changed geometry throws off your orientation just enough that it took me a couple days' practice to fret with my left hand without having to look. As a whole, though, this technique seems so obvious to me that I wonder if anyone else has tried it and what their experience is?