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pocket groove a nice two measure groove to work out the kinks

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by diverse379, Mar 29, 2015.


  1. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    this is a nice two measure groove to work your timing and
    syncopation.
    Forbidden Fruit by NIK WEST
    and the groove is tight

    And it is only 7

    the timing is what is tricky
    try clapping it first it is only a two measure groove but it is tricky
    try doing it for three minutes without losing it.

    One E - - 2 - & - - 3 e & - 4 e & -


    One E - - 2 - & - - 3 e & - e &

    so here is the bass line
    i dont know how to write tab here so i put this little key together
    the bottom line is the count
    the middle line are the notes to be played
    the top line is what strings you will find those notes

    the line starts on the A string 5th fret
    I couldnt get the notes to line up exactly over the counts
    so just make the counts take precedent over the note placement


    String A------------- G------A A E----G
    notes D E____D E___D E E__DED
    count 1 e - - 2 - & - - 3 e & - --- 4 e & --
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2015
  2. I got something like this for the basic groove:
    Forbidden Fruit.
     
  3. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015

    ooops yeah I had the octave plucks backwards

    as far as that return to the low E
    I didnt think she did that both times
    But i did hear some strange harmonic I couldnt quite figure out.

    by the way how did you get the notation posted?
    do you have software?
     
  4. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    wait now that I look at your rhythm
    i am confused.

    if you count 1 e & a 2 e &A 3 e & a 4 e & a

    i dont think the notes end up on your rhythmic values

    in any event Thank you for taking time

    we now have an ear training problem

    which one is correct.

    :)
     
  5. I just took a shot at some of the rhythmic variations in the original bass lines from 3 different versions on You Tube. She plays every bar a little differently, near as I could tell.

    I wrote the notation using Sibelius 7 software, then saved it as a PDF, took a screenshot, and uploaded the screenshot to TB thread.
     
  6. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    1b147a49c3a197c434cd76120691cbd8.
     
  7. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    Oh I understand
    I am getting my example from the CD
    she keeps it locked solid

    I just used my ear and counted it out old school


    I am sure the live version takes some interesting departures

    because she is singing I am not even sure if shes is playing the whole line any more
    I see a guy on bass in the shadows.

    lol
     
  8. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    1b147a49c3a197c434cd76120691cbd8.
     
  9. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    that is the first measure the second measure is the same
    except that last beat
    is a D to Db
    pull off
    on the e and & of beat four
     
  10. I listened to the studio version and it is much more consistent with fewer variations. This is what I hear in the first few bars.
    Screen Shot 2015-03-29 at 8.34.04 PM.
     
  11. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    I think that low E in the first beat not done enough throughout the song to include it.
    its done maybe two or three times throughout the whole song it eventually solidifies as more of an off and on again figure where you hear the low E every other time. ( a classic producers trick to keep a track from getting boring)

    Although it occurs once or twice in the first beat
    it appears consistently in the third beat, which is why I notated it the way I did.

    your second measure with the C# is backwards. it is D to C# not C# to D

    Finally i think it is strange to try to read it as an eighth note groove.
    when it is a 16th note funk groove.
    when if you listen to the song all the subdivisions fall on sixteenth note subdivisions

    There is more i am not liking about this Sibelius interpretation.
    I clapped the line that you submitted and it doesn’t capture the
    16th note feel
    even if I speed it up Its not capturing the funk
    i am not claiming to be a master teacher or musician
    but I write and arrange for choirs my full time gig (minister of music)
    I have to constantly read new strange music and figure out the transcriptions on odd and often complex gospel
    figures. I have been transcribing gospel choir music and arrangements for 14 years
    so I am not a newbie to this.
    When i Transcribe i dont use a computer
    I first learn the line.
    then i clap the line while counting carefully notating where my claps are falling within the subdivisions.
    when i am sure i nailed it
    i begin to write the notes measure for measure
    beat for beat and Check and isolate each half of every beat for accuracy.
    write the beats first then fill in the notes.
    i am counting while I am playing the line. and I certainly stand by my transcription
    I think it retains the overall flavor of the line.

    I stand by my transcription
    However, I dont think It is perfect. nor do I think I am infallible.

    for the record there was certainly something in this groove I missed; it may have been that first beat low E (I think it may have been more of a ghost note)
    but Didnt feel it was so important that the transcription couldnt serve as a good teaching tool for someone.


    Thanks for your efforts.
    but I am curious why would you submit a correction that is four times as flawed as what I presented.
    What is there to gain?
     
  12. Hey, take it easy there buddy…

    It's not a correction of your transcription - I just took a crack at two bars of the intro.

    Maybe it would make more sense in 16th notes. I'll try that next time I have some spare time. C# to D or vice versa - she does it both ways at different times. Low E or ghost note - yeah there are ghost notes all over. Listen to the live versions - even more ghost notes.

    You ask if this would make a good two bar vamp to groove on and I was trying to write it out first so I could try playing it. I could not understand it from what you wrote in the first post.

    And it's not really a Sibelius interpretation - I input the notes one by one, from listening to the track, it's just a way to write it down neatly. But then I can play it back and listen, and what I wrote down sounded pretty close.

    Not trying to start an argument...
     
  13. diverse379

    diverse379

    Mar 4, 2015
    My apologies
    I shouldn't have come across like that
    You obviously took time in working on this. That deserves my respect.
    I will start looking at you as a colleague rather than a detractor

    I suppose I misunderstood your intent.

    Sincerely

    Diverse379
     
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