poly and nitro

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by Precision345, Jul 10, 2013.

  1. Precision345

    Precision345

    Feb 19, 2013
    Hi TB,

    I need help with applying a clear coat to a bass once it has been painted. I don't know whether to do poly or nitro as I am a beginner and first timer at this sort of thing.

    First off, it should be known that I intend to use a brush to apply the clear coat and not a spray gun. Secondly, I would like to know how much I should be using, also, drying times, sanding, etc?

    Where can I get either of these and for poly, do I want to use a oil or water based?

    I really want to do this right and not **** it up.


    Ahhhh heelp me!
     
  2. Right_Butterscotch64

    Right_Butterscotch64

    Oct 18, 2012
    I cant really help you in terms of applying and what to do in that. But for the decision between poly and nitro dont get all worked up over people saying "nitro lets your wood breathe". Your wood is dead, period. If you leave your bass in the case a lot the nitro never really settles and will eventually start to take the color of your case lining. Poly stays looking new for a loooong time. If you want a road worn look on your bass, use nitro.
     
  3. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    If you are applying with a brush, then poly is the only option between the two. Nitro is not a brush on type of finish.
     
  4. Precision345

    Precision345

    Feb 19, 2013
    You can only use nitro with a spray gun?
     
  5. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Nitro sets up to fast to be applied with a brush. I am not saying it cant be done, but I have only seen nitro sprayed. I have never seen it applied with any other method.
     
  6. HankTX

    HankTX

    Feb 3, 2010
    Texas
    You indicated that the bass was to be painted first. What base coat are you using? The best option is to use the clear coat that is compatible with that base coat paint. Short of that, if the clear coat and base coat use the same solvent, then you are probably OK. Mixing paints based on different solvents is generally not good idea. You might also consider Reranch nitro that comes in a spray can. They have detailed instructions on the site that can walk a beginner through the process.
     
  7. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Good catch, I missed the part about using a clear over a painted bass.
     
  8. xander8280

    xander8280

    Dec 29, 2011
    Nitro is softer, wears faster, and "feels better".
    Poly is solid, tough as nails, very glossy always, and "feels like plastic"


    I am bias, and I would recommend nitro or shellac. Shellac is nice but don't let anybody spill booze on it, and French polish is a beautiful art(labor intensive)
     
  9. Precision345

    Precision345

    Feb 19, 2013
    Not sure what base coat I'm going to use brand wise but it will be a gold color but that probably doesn't help lol
     
  10. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    To be honest, your best chance for a great finished product is going to be Reranch nitro in rattle cans. There is a ton of great advice on their website as well.
     
  11. Big B.

    Big B.

    Dec 31, 2007
    Austin, TX
    Agreed. Nitro sets very quickly. Without a fair amount of retarder mixed in your brush will stick by the time you coat the entire body. If you want nitro you should consider the aerosol sprays as mentioned earlier. Poly is a much better brush finish as the.drying time is measured in hours, not minutes.
     
  12. Precision345

    Precision345

    Feb 19, 2013
    I'm going poly, suck it trebek.
     
  13. Precision345

    Precision345

    Feb 19, 2013
    Another question for this! How do I do my whole body? Just do one side then flip it over and do the other?
     
  14. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Why exactly do you want to brush it? You would probably end up with a better end result if you sprayed it with a rattle can.
     
  15. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
  16. Precision345

    Precision345

    Feb 19, 2013
    Well I didn't think you could get it in spray cans? I thought it was either in a paint can or nothing. I don't know how to use a spray gun so I wanted to use a brush. Also, do I use the water based stuff or does it have to be oil based????
     
  17. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    Your best bet is probably rattle can nitro. Reranch should have whatever you need.
     
  18. Precision345

    Precision345

    Feb 19, 2013
    No, I want to use poly so the paint job I do is protected forever
     
  19. Hopkins

    Hopkins Supporting Member Commercial User

    Nov 17, 2010
    Houston Tx
    Owner/Builder @Hopkins Guitars
    I wish I could be more helpful, but I have never used a brush on poly finish. If you were spraying it I could help.

    Lonnybass has a really good thread on here that would probably help you with what you are trying to do.

    Good Luck,
    Paul.
     
  20. First you want to be able to hang the guitar so you can get to both sides. Is it a bolt on, or a set neck / neck thru? A bolt on means you can do the body and neck separately. You'll want to tape off the fretboard while you are at it.

    I ditto Reranch products. They have the Gibson Gold that may work for you. You can practice on another piece of wood to get the hang of spraying. Buy some extra and practice on scrap, part of your education.

    I just got thru using Behlen water based poly on a table. Easy brush application and cleanup. Best advise is to apply thin coats and lots of them. Let it build till you're happy with it.

    Here's a guitar I'm finishing with oil right now.
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    Check out the flame
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