You know, I think that the word "Pop" has become almost a condesending label to put on music. It seems that people say pop like it's a dirty word. I don't think that just because N'Sync and Brittney Spears are pop music, that it should leave a black mark on all music, pop. Case in point, to me, pop is anything that is overly catchy, and yes, maybe to a certain degree, marketed. Pop is great when it's backed by substance. AND YES, it is very possible for pop and substance to co-exist. An example would be one of the greatest pop bands of all time, (and yes, they were many things, and a pop band was one of those things they were) The Beatles. The Beatles had an uncanny ability to write a catchy 3 minute rock tune. Yet they had substance. They were pushing envelopes in terms of song structure, production, lyrics ect. The Doors had pop sensability (you can't tell me Light My Fire, LA Women, or Break on Through, are not catchy) And as Punk as they were, you cannot deny the Ramones having a lot of pop hooks. Writing hooks is a talent also, and I don't know why if I band can write a cool sounding song that last 3 minutes, why someone should call them a "Pop" band, like it's a bad thing. As much as I love bands like Pink Floyd, Dream Theater, and Hawkwind. I also like The Goo Goo Dolls, Marvelous Three, and Eve6. Just had to get that off my mind. What are your opinions?