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Pork Pie Hat

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by weeding, Feb 21, 2006.


  1. weeding

    weeding

    May 17, 2005
    Ahhh sweet satisfaction. Just got all the notes for Pork Pie Hat down. All hail Charles Mingus, as he is the almighty lord of crazy arse rhythms and jazz tunes. Now, now to the point. I'm going to try a solo bass arrangement of this piece (maybe using a piano as well, or a clarinet...) and I'm wondering if anyone here has tackled this before. If so, could they give me any hints or tips to help? This would be much appreciated.

    PS. If anyone wants a copy of the music written out for both bass and treble clef, then just PM me and I can give them pictures or a copy in Finale.
     
  2. Garry Goodman

    Garry Goodman

    Feb 26, 2003
    Do you mean "Goobye Pork Pie Hat"?
    It's in a number of "RealBooks", even in the Vocal Real Book with lyrics by Rahsaan Roland Kirk.
    It's a nice straight ahead Jazz ballad.
    John McLaughlin did a cool version on "My Goal's Beyond".

    "He put all his soul into a tenor saxophobe"
    I think it's usually played in F minor.
    Have fun!
     
  3. BassChuck

    BassChuck

    Nov 15, 2005
    Cincinnati
    I doing the same thing to work on fretless.

    But... I'm coming to the feeling that the melody is just so incredibly strong that it, musically, stands by itself with no need for any kind of accompaniment.

    So, I'm experimenting with a non-tonal synth wash as a background. I'm thinking of something along the lines of an Absynth kind of changing sound...... but all of that may just get trashed cause Mingus is just fine by himself.
     
  4. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    It's just a 12-bar Blues!! ;)
     
  5. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    ...and re-harmonized like no other!


    ;)
     
  6. Howard K

    Howard K

    Feb 14, 2002
    UK
    I think I might be developing an accute case of saxophobia :D

    GBPPH has a great melody indeed. I might just dig that out of my more than a playalong book when I get home for lunch :cool:
     
  7. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    (Joni Mitchell/Charles Mingus)

    When Charlie speaks of Lester
    You know someone great has gone
    The sweetest swinging music man
    Had a Porkie Pig hat on
    A bright star
    In a dark age
    When the bandstands had a thousand ways
    Of refusing a black man admission
    Black musician
    In those days they put him in an
    Underdog position
    Cellars and chittlins'

    When Lester took him a wife
    Arm and arm went black and white
    And some saw red
    And drove them from their hotel bed
    Love is never easy
    It's short of the hope we have for happiness
    Bright and sweet
    Love is never easy street!
    Now we are black and white
    Embracing out in the lunatic New York night
    It's very unlikely we'll be driven out of town
    Or be hung in a tree
    That's unlikely!

    Tonight these crowds
    Are happy and loud
    Children are up dancing in the streets
    In the sticky middle of the night
    Summer serenade
    Of taxi horns and fun arcades
    Where right or wrong
    Under neon
    Every feeling goes on!
    For you and me
    The sidewalk is a history book
    And a circus
    Dangerous clowns
    Balancing dreadful and wonderful perceptions
    They have been handed
    Day by day
    Generations on down

    We came up from the subway
    On the music midnight makes
    To Charlie's bass and Lester's saxophone
    In taxi horns and brakes
    Now Charlie's down in Mexico
    With the healers
    So the sidewalk leads us with music
    To two little dancers
    Dancing outside a black bar
    There's a sign up on the awning
    It says "Pork Pie Hat Bar"
    And there's black babies dancing...
    Tonight!





    JONI MITCHELL - "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" lyrics
     
  8. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Interesting lyrics, but I don't think they are the standard ones to the tune i.e. the ones most often sung to the song.
     
  9. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    Well - they're sung by Joni Mitchell on the albums Mingus and the live "Shadows and Light" :)
     
  10. Redhotbassist

    Redhotbassist

    Oct 19, 2002
    England
    I quite like Millers version of this, some great phrases.
     
  11. I figured out the first lick....anybody have tab? :bag:
     
  12. RHFusillo

    RHFusillo Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Phoenix, AZ
    Bruce quoted the Joni Mitchell lyrics. The other ones are by Rahsaan Roland Kirk. I think that Joni's lyrics are nicer (she even put lyrics to Booker Ervin's tenor solo), but there was something moving about Rahsaan and his sidemen chanting, "Lester Young is blowing what he's feeling..."
     
  13. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U

    May 30, 2000
    Peoples Republic of Brooklyn
    Creator of: iGigBook for Android/iOS
    Yeah, and???
     
  14. I love the Joni Mitchell/Jaco version of this song.
     
  15. Jazzin'

    Jazzin' ...Bluesin' and Funkin'

    Yeah, it's really good. I have the video of the whole concert. Joni Mitchell, Jaco Pastorius, Pat Metheny, and others.
     
  16. weeding

    weeding

    May 17, 2005
    Miller's version is the only one I've heard (apart of course from my Charles Mingus live at the Montreaux Jazz Festival) and I think it's quite nice. However, for some reason which I can't pick he plays it in D sharp instead of F...
     
  17. Garry Goodman

    Garry Goodman

    Feb 26, 2003
    R.R Kirk's lyrics
    He put all of his soul into a tenor saxophone
    Had a way of talkn',twas a lang
    uage all his own

    Life's story,love and glory if you listen when he plays it for you now
    Listen and listen and dig it,can you dig it?
    Lester Young is playing what he's feeling
    Dealing and dancing you home

    Now someone might of told you,Lester Young he's out of style
    But now I'm here to tell you,"Prez is happening right now"
    Life's story,love and glory if you listen when he plays it for you now
    Listen and listen and dig it,can you dig it?
    Lester Young is playing what he's feeling
    Dealing and dancing you home
    http://www.jonimitchell.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=32
     
  18. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    I agree! :)

    It's a great solo and I think it's amazing that it has been preserved in this way.
     
  19. dlloyd

    dlloyd zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Apr 21, 2004
    Scotland
    It's the version that's the most listened to. Probably.