Potential New Rig? Traynor SB500H & TC1510

I'm thinkin' you better get yourself some serious hearing protection !

 

That looks like a great combo! That cab has plenty of cone area to use all the power the SB500H can dish out which in my experience is similar to a typical 300 watt class AB amp.

The SB500H has the same class D power module as the Eden WTX500, SWR Headlite, Aguilar TH350, Genz Shuttle 6 and Streamliner 600, Fender Rumble 350, and Kustom 500. It's a fine power module but has it's limitations.

 

Just curious. What do you think this cab will offer you over any of the other traynor cabs?

 

Why?

 

More like truth-telling/myth-busting crowd, actually .

You're listening with your eyes.

Also, what's your "moderate" budget?

 

Though this cab config doesn't get a lot of love - I like it and have played through it before (a good friend owns it). My opinion is if you're looking for an affordable one cab solution this is a strong contender. It's solidly built, pretty portable - the tall but narrow shape makes it easier to move around vs a 410 - and at 4 ohms you will get the full-power out of the SB500 and together this will generally be enough power to cover most situations. If you like the Traynor sound - which I do - you will be happy

I owned and heavily gigged a Peavey version (1516 - a 15 with 2 eights) through the late 80's/early 90's and it covered me from basement jams to outdoor festival stages (with PA support of course). I have always like the one cab approach and have been considering going back to it.

Other 4 ohm options to consider would be: Ampeg SVT 410 HLF (classic or heritage), GK NEO 410 (light for a 410 at 60 lbs) - both of these are about $200+ more than the Traynor though.

The best thing to do is to rent one. If you live in Canada L+M will most likely have one for rent - I know my local does. See you if you like the sound, plus the size and weight versus other options.

Hope this helps

 

Not trying to be part of a "tough crowd". Just asking you why you have decided on this cab.

The idea that 10's are for highs, and 15's are for lows, is false and based on old wives tales.

If you understand all that, it may change your goal.

 

The point is the size of the speakers doesn't determine any of those things. Often multi speaker cabs are poorly implemented, and have no engineering outside of "looking cool".

If you have a grand you have a big budget. Find a cab with a sound you like, then get two.

 

Uh ... in a word, yes (although you're going have to define your meaning of "full" in conjunction w/drivers). All depends on the specific attributes of the exact speakers in question. 10s can go deeper than 15 if designed that way. Diameter tells you nothing other than ... (wait for it) ... diameter. That's it. It'll generally take two tens, though, to equal the displacement/air movement(Vd) of a single 15 (provided the 10's & 15's Xmax/excursion is basically the same).

And sure, of course you (or anyone) can like a cab (or anything else for that matter) just because you do or because you think it's a cool idea. Your money. Do exactly what you want to do. But just because something seems like it's a great idea doesn't mean it is. It could be, but it isn't a given. In this case, a 210 & 115 in the same box really isn't the best idea. Is it terrible? Nope. And as not-so-good ideas go, it's probably one of the better ones . If a 2 x 210 or 2 x 115 (both superior to the TB1510) don't fit your budget & the TB1510 does, then that's the name of that tune.

As CL400Peavey mentions (if it can fit your budget), find a cab whose tone you like (& that doesn't mix full-range drivers) & double up on it if a single one doesn't get the volume you need. Like a 2 x 210 or 2 x 115 that I listed above. Or a 2 x 112 or 2 x 212, for example.

 

It depends on a lot of other design specs. None of which are the size of the speaker.

 

I generally agree with you on this one and IME mass produced cabinets sound this way to my ears regardless of whether or not a 10 CAN be designed to go deeper than a 15. The speaker police around here generalize a lot, make sweeping judgements and then try to back back it up with theory. Neither of these guys claim to have played through or even heard this cab - yet they say it is a bad idea or poor design. The engineers at Traynor and Mesa (another multi-size speaker/cabinet company) think they work well enough to put their name on it - so I would take their opinion over somebody in a forum. Speaking of which - here is mine: I have played this cabinet several times, loud in a jam situation and on stage at a medium size club, playing hard rock and I liked it - so you should buy it

 

Mixing drivers can be problematic unless they are designed around a good crossover. The "facts" you have mentioned were consigned to the rubbish heap quite a few years ago. I suggest you actually try the cabinet out to see how it sounds within the boundaries of your band. If you love it then buy it.

That said, what you are being advised is that there are much better options than that particular cabinet.

 

+1! I too have played this cab and it worked exceptionally well in the loud environment I used it in. It's ample cone area and impedance make it a fine cab for a reasonably powered amp. Many of the super cabs of today require a lot of power to shine.

I can see the merits of a properly engineered cab and as pointed out, the speaker police on TB are always more than willing to educate anyone who asks or doesn't ask about a cab. I take issue with blanket dismissal of anyone outside of a choice few small boutique builders of being qualified to engineer an effective bass enclosure.

TB is all about different experiences and opinions. It's a little unfortunate that those who don't have a lot of experience playing in live environments coincidentally seem to have more time to post online about their opinions based on theories they've read online. Real world players who gig 3+ times a week are too busy learning new material, participating in rehearsals, networking with other working musicians, and gigging. I've learned that these are the people that can give the most valuable advice for practical applications.

I'm not a full time pro musician but I gig every weekend and I rehearse with a couple of bands at least one day a week. I also attend a local creative jam with a variety of musicians every week. I'm also a Nuclear Process Controls Technician by day. I value theory and application in the real world. I also don't discredit any idea or engineer prior to completely analyzing their design myself and making my own opinion. I wish those who are most informed on speaker design would do the same, as I'm sure they would all gain valuable knowledge because there's always more than one way to skin a cat.