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Power needed for a 410 x 115 rig?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by burns_isaac, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. burns_isaac


    Jun 5, 2010
    How much power would one need to safely run an Eden 410xlt and a GK 115 8ohms 400 watt? Thanks gentlemen!
  2. DigitalMan

    DigitalMan Bring Back Edit/Delete

    Nov 30, 2011
    Bay Area, CA
    Anywhere from 1 watt up to the maximum rating assuming you use the volume controls wisely and don't blow your 15 before the 4x10 breaks a sweat.

    (There is no such thing as a safe minimum amount of power)
  3. hdracer


    Feb 15, 2009
    Elk River, MN.
    My Epi Valve Jr. at 5 watts sounds good through my two 3015's
  4. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive


    Despite its popularity a 1x15 has no chance of keeping up with a 4x10. It really is a bad match. Do a search on the subject, there's a lot of information on this site.
  5. To have some "safety" factor don't exceed twice the lowest rated cab's power input rating. If the lowest rated cab is 400 watts INPUT MAX don't exceed 800 watts FROM the amp's output. Or just use your ears to listen for speaker distress which CAN happen at power levels UNDER the cab's rating.
  6. burns_isaac


    Jun 5, 2010
    The Eden is 700rms, the head is 800 watts max, the GK is 400rms and the only reason I was considering adding the 15 is that at my steady Saturday night salsa gig at a big place with high ceilings my lows are getting totally lost and all I'm ending up with is a ton of mids and highs. I thought that maybe adding the 15 would help push some more lows for me and balance out the sound.
  7. burns_isaac


    Jun 5, 2010
    I'm clueless as to ohms and wattage and power when it comes to pairing cabs.
  8. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    Thinking that a 1x15 puts out more lows is a fallacy. The size of the cone alone has nothing to do with the amount of lows a cabinet can give. A second identical 4x10 is a better way to go than adding a 1x15.
  9. DigitalMan

    DigitalMan Bring Back Edit/Delete

    Nov 30, 2011
    Bay Area, CA
    Just to fine tune the comment - the size of the speaker alone cannot be used to make a prediction. Known cabinets can be compared and in some cases one will appear to produce more lows than the other. Someone who tests this could in fact say that their 15 provides more lows. While factually accurate it may not be indicative of a well designed solution.
  10. burns_isaac


    Jun 5, 2010
    Fallacy or not, when I run my 15 by itself with the EQ set flat on my amp it has way more bottom than the 410. The Eden cab I have naturally produces a ton of mids and is crystal clear and no matter how many lows I add from the amp it doesn't get as fat as the 15, especially when I crank the lows on it. My question was will 700 watts push both of those cabs paired together.
  11. burns_isaac


    Jun 5, 2010
    It doesn't matter anymore though. I spoke with the house sound guy and have my solution now. Thanks
  12. burns_isaac


    Jun 5, 2010
    Also, I already own the 15 and this gig, though steady, is a short contract so without buying anything I was hoping to solve the problem with what I have. A legitimate sound engineer will be in house tonight so problem solved.
  13. Your soundguy's parents being married when he was conceived often has little bearing on the results. The guys commenting on here for your benefit are of unknown pedigree but definitely know what is what.
  14. Mr. Foxen

    Mr. Foxen Commercial User

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, UK
    Amp tinkerer at Ampstack
    For sound guys, their life gets easier when you blow up your rig by 'cranking lows', they get to DI you like they are doing you a favour.
  15. Yes, 700W should be adequate for both of them. I find 350W to be good enough for me and my cabinets but speaker sensitivity varies.
  16. Billy Backbeat

    Billy Backbeat

    Jan 14, 2011
    The Eden 410xlt is available in 4 or 8 ohms. I can't see where you specified which one you have. If you have the 4 ohm version, hooking up both of those speakers would result in a total load that your GK amp probably can't handle.
    I don 't know any GK amps that can handle a load less than 4 Ohm.
  17. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    If you must use both at least stack the 1x15 on the top of the 4x10. This way you will be able to hear any signs of distress from the 1x15. On the bottom those signs will be drowned out by the much more efficient 4x10.
  18. the 2000RB and 2001RB only
  19. iualum


    Apr 9, 2004
    You can lead an equine to H2O... :rollno:
  20. Floyd Eye

    Floyd Eye Inactive

    Feb 21, 2010
    St. Louis
    The 15 putting out more lows than the 410 is probably an indictment of your 410.