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Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by RHCP250, Apr 23, 2009.
What is the difference between the pre and post ernie ball stingrays?
The years they were in production.
The spelling of his first name.
The main differences are the neck joint and the neck finishes:
Pre EB: microtilt, gloss poly
Post EB: 6 bolt, gunstock oil
These are just the most basic and obvious as I'm not an expert.
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The pre ones were better if you like Pre ones. But the post ones are best more post liking people.
Mainly, I think, the preamp. Older ones mostly have 2-eq, I think? Newer ones will have 3 Eq (except older newers one have 2). or You can get newer ones with 2.
all i know is that i've heard that the pre EB's were "better"
that's just and opinion i heard though.
Well, you can actually order new ones with 2band EQ.
Pre EB also came string thru body bridges and original preamp was modded even during the Pre EB era.
One correction: Since Ernie Ball still owns the company I guess there`s no "Post Ernie Ball", right ?
You can check those differences here:
The preEB Rays' have slab (non contoured) bodies. While the EB Rays have contoured bodies. If you're talking about single H Rays, the EB usually has the 3eq, but you can still order the 2eq preamp.
Basically, the preEB:
The first few years had string thrugh body and 3-bolt necks. Then around '80/81 switched to 4-bolt necks and top load stringing. Everything else stayed these same.
started out with 4-bolt necks, then switched to 6-bolt necks.
At first only had the 2eq, then in 87 the 3eq came available.
I've had a bunch of both, love both, but my preEB's have always had thinner more comfortable playing necks than my EB's. I also really only like the 2 band eq's.
+1. I own a pre-EB SR. I don't really want an EB-era SR because I like the pre-EB neck profile better. YMMV.
In order of bitchiness:
1. Pre-EB Music Man
2. Pre 1995 EB Music Man
3. Post 1995 EB Music Man
I think this is one of those cases where old isn't really better... I played PLENTY of pre EB music man basses and never really liked them... And when EB bought them I was *very* dubious... but ultimately liked what they did (hence my owning of a few). I think they had similar QC issues that Fender did, and CnC machining *really* has made quality control easier for all builders.
As for the neck profile comment... I've never played a older MM with a thin neck, but that may be that I've just not seen one. Heck, I've never played ANY MM with a particularly thin neck - but that really isn't their game (ala Zon/Pedulla).
I believe the Original Musicman Stingrays had a different 2 band than the ones available today. Check John East preamps they have a pre Ernie ball replacement 2 band. Also the pickups are different check Nordstrand and Duncan as they have pre Ernie style replacements. The electronics and the necks are the major differences.
I've played 2 pre eb stingrays but preferred my 2003 model so go figure, and I like vintage basses. Judge each bass on its own merit.
Edited the title.
It's actually reported to be the exact same circut since 1979, ie; after the black epoxy 76-78 preamps, came the non-epoxied pre's. The 07 2eq ray I had was the exact same as my 81 Ray.
My 2/78 has a black epoxy pre, and is noticeably different (warmer yet)
I wish you could try out my small fleet of preEB Musicmans. All three have thin front-to-back necks with 1-5/8 widths, and very rounded fretboard edges from the factory.
My last 8 that I can remember, later EB Ray necks were all very thick front-to-back, and a hard-angled fretboard edge.
Not that this bothered me at all, just pointing it out.