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Primus Concert Review/Rant about People who ruin concerts

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Matt Till, Nov 13, 2003.


  1. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    Clevland, Ohio. The agora. Primus. Ok, first of all, who was the dork in the Talkbass shirt? ;)

    I think I know who it was. But anyhoo, I know everyone is posting about Primus concerts as of late so I won't go into too much, but I'll just say seeing Primus live has been on my die a happy man list for a while. I for the longest time feared it wouldn't happen. Now that I have, I feel weird, kinda like where do I go from here. It's odd. Really good concert though I, but unfortunatly the first set and a small portion of the set was a bit not cool.

    First of all, let me go on record as saying I ****ing hate the smell of pot. Almost as much as I hate pointless mosh pitting. Some of us are trying to enjoy a show instead of jumping around like a bunch of damn apes. I couldn't see much, and I kept getting elbowed. Luckily, low crowd surfing first set. But eventually I was so crushed I started shoving back HARD throwing elbows and whatnot. I had it. Then the first set ended. I found my friend Shannon who was my "date". She has a boyfriend, I have a girlfriend, that's why it's "". She said she liked the show, but the moshing she hated.

    Second set starts up, I'm stoked, the entire seas of cheese album. We get into here come the bastards and I notice a guy keeps falling over Shannon, no big, these things happen. But he was acting really weird. So to be safe I kinda shove him off in a "I'm a stupid mosher" way. And "fall over shannon" and say, "Want me to guard you." She looked terrified. I took it as a yes. I took over boyfriend duty and protected her. Eventually it got so bad, that I had to grab onto her, and work my way to the back, ass first. It was quite a comical looking challange. Aparently this joker was groping her and stuff. Not ****ing cool.

    The rest of the concert was enjoyed from a distance, but enjoyed none the less. The ending left me feeling weird. No goodbye, just end the song and leave after the Too many puppies encore. I'm use to the take a bow, or say goodnight kinda band. I guess Primus is too weird to do that.

    Oh and to the dork in the Talkbass shirt, hi Bryan. I didn't wear my hoodie because it gets hot in there and I didn't want to carry around a hoodie, and I don't just go up and talk to people because I'm a total weirdo... no offense to you. :)
     
  2. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    Yeah, I don't really like the whole mosh pit thing, I've never been in a real serious pit, but what I have been...meh.

    at anyrate....it's things like that that make me glad I'm in the balcony section of the show that I'm seeing NEXT MONDAY!

    PRIMUS NEXT MONDAY w00t sppon!

    They are so pizzlestain
     
  3. I find it hard to believe that people go to concerts and are still surprised that people are smoking pot or moshing. Sucks about the girl getting groped though, that seems like it was pretty uncalled for.

    StupidMatt, the people up front are there to party and have a good time and jump around like idiots. Things don't generally actually get violent unless idiots start throwing elbows and trying to hurt people, like it sounds like you were doing.

    WR, you have the right idea. If you don't want to be a part of the madness in front of the stage, stick to the seats, it's pretty simple.
     
  4. Tim Cole

    Tim Cole

    Jun 12, 2002
    Findlay, Ohio
    I find it hard to believe that some (apparently) think that stupidity becomes acceptable after repetition. Pot is illegal, EVEN INSIDE DOORS, and one has the right to complain if he doesn't like it. I see no problem with throwing elbows, or fists for the matter if someone, or a group of people thinks it is okay to repeatedly slam into me, or sexually assault the females in attendance. It's BS this kind of activity is allowed to go on, I don't care how long of a tradition it is, or how someone thinks this is acceptable.

    I think I will head to a grocery store and random mosh some shoppers, I am sure they will appreciate it as much as I, and others would at a show we are trying to enjoy.

    Uncivilized nonsense!!!!!!!!!
     
  5. cheezewiz

    cheezewiz

    Mar 27, 2002
    Ohio
    The WORST part of going to concerts is all the stoned morons who just use the show as an excuse to smoke dope. I go to see the bands. Keep your fuggin dope away from me.
     
  6. I'm not saying you don't have the right to complain, and I'm not saying that smoking/moshing is right necessarily. All I'm saying is that anyone who goes to a rock/metal/punk show can't expect a crowd full of people standing around quietly in front of the stage; and people smoking pot at concerts isn't likely to go away any time soon.

    As for moshing in a grocery store, point taken, but I think we both know that example is a little far fetched. If you don't want to jump around a bit then don't stand in front of the stage, simple.

    Uncivilized nonsense is part of what makes concerts so much fun, once inside the venue normal rules don't seem to apply. It's Carnival.
     
  7. Joe Turski

    Joe Turski

    Jul 29, 2003
    Connecticut
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    Moshing CAN be fun! Some people ruin the whole point in moshing though. Moshing is not about kicking the crap out of the person next to you. It's about jumping in the pit and dancing around. Yeah, banging into other people, but not with the intentions of causing bodily harm.

    There are rules to moshing (Not everyone follows)

    1.) If you see someone going down, help that person back to his/her feet.

    2.) No punching, kicking, biting or anything that will inflict pain on a fellow mosher.

    I've been to many shows that had some cool pits. I've been to many shows that had some very violent pits. It depends on who your going to see.

    Bottom line, moshing is never going away!
    If you don't want to join in the fun, stay out of the pit!!!


    I'm not touching the pot comment. :spit: :)
     
  8. Joe Turski

    Joe Turski

    Jul 29, 2003
    Connecticut
    m

    I'll be at the same show.

    Man I can't wait!!!:hyper:
     
  9. Bryan R. Tyler

    Bryan R. Tyler TalkBass: Usurping My Practice Time Since 2002 Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    May 3, 2002
    Connecticut
    Yup, I was the dork in the TB shirt, although I couldn't spot you amongst the crowd. I was on the floor about five rows of people back from the barracade the whole time, so I was pretty close. The first set wasn't bad for me-it was the second set when "Jerry Was A Racecar Driver" started that people REALLY started pushing.
    The one good thing about all the weight I've gained in the past year is now I'm still only 5'8", but I'm wider than most guys my size and I didn't get pushed around too much (I did get accidentally smacked right in the nuts by a moshing girl though). I've grown accustomed to the pot smell-what I can't stand is all the people smoking cigarettes in the middle of songs when everyone is so close. Nasty. I tried leaving during "Damn Blue Collared Tweakers" because my asthma was kicking in, but I couldn't even make it through the crowd and I ended up near the back of the floor until the concert was over. Good show, except for the bad PA-I barely heard Les most of the night.
     
  10. Bryan R. Tyler

    Bryan R. Tyler TalkBass: Usurping My Practice Time Since 2002 Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    May 3, 2002
    Connecticut
    Oh, and no worries Matt, it's cool.
     
  11. Yeah, I always preferred the smell of flaming crotch, myself. :D
     
  12. Justin V

    Justin V

    Dec 27, 2000
    Alameda, CA
    I really wish I had been able to go to the Primus concert in Eureka (stupid speech class....).

    However, moshing is one of the best parts of a rock show, as long as it's done right. The two "rules" that Joe posted are pretty much all that needs to be followed for all to have a good time.

    Also, on the pot thing. I guess it's just where I am, but I don't even notice it when I'm at a show anymore. What I hate is the damn cigarettes. At least pot smells better than that stuff. Besides, you might get a free buzz from the pot, but cigarettes just make me not want to breathe too deeply. :D
     
  13. whoa...
     
  14. j_sun23

    j_sun23

    Feb 24, 2003
    Baton Rouge LA
    I will.

    I really don't understand why people have a problem with someone ELSE smoking pot period, much less at a rock concert. A Primus Concert. A concert where the band most likely smoked pot before the show, possibly during the show, and probably will after the show.

    I totally understand if you CHOOSE not to smoke it yourself because you don't like it, because you think it's morally reprehensible, because it's illegal, or whatever. But where does anyone get off demanding that everyone else not make a different choice.

    Many people have grossly distorted, uninformed and irrational opinions about pot, but no one seems to have a problem with everyone's favorite, All American, Legal DRUG, Alcohol (and to a lesser degree, as of late, Tobacco). I can promise you, ALCOHOL has done and continues to do far more damage, in far more ways, than pot has ever done, or will do.

    I would be willing to bet that the "stoned morons" at concerts generally keep to themselves, and the ones running around causing trouble are most likely drunk. I don't recall ever even remotely feeling like running around, acting crazy, or fighting when I was stoned. On the flipside, we all know that a little liquid courage is all the fuel you need for a good ol round of fisticuffs. Try and disagree.

    (As a disclaimer, I'm not saying that it's always true that if you drink, you're violent, and if you smoke pot, you're reserved.... But really, is that more likely to be the case? :confused: )

    And another thing. If you think it's morally wrong, according to your convictions or values or religion or whatever, that's fine. No one is forcing anything upon you. Wonderful. I'm happy that you can be strong enough to make a decision for yourself. But it drives me crazy to hear someone condemn smoking pot, and chastise those who do choose to smoke it, simply because it is illegal. Legality really has little to do with the validity or virtue of a purely personal choice. You don't kill people, not because it is illegal (well some of you), but because you think it's morally wrong. Correct? Drinking alcohol IS legal, Pornagraphy is legal, gambling is legal, Prostitution is even legal in some states, but that doesn't stop many from believing these things to be morally wrong. And if it was made illegal tomorrow to, I don't know, worship Jesus, would that change the way you feel about worshiping Jesus, or those who continued to worship Jesus? Would worshiping then be wrong, because it is illegal? I would hope you'd say no.

    The point is, legality is hardly some sort of unchangeable, infallible indicator of whether an action or priciple is just or right, morally or otherwise. Laws are CREATED by PEOPLE, and when found to be unjust or unworthy of being law, CHANGED by PEOPLE.

    What? Are you saying there have never been any unjust laws in this country? :eek:

    No one needs a history book or law degree to know exactly what I'm talking about.

    Or maybe they do... maybe that's the problem. People forget too easily.

    :meh:

    sorry about the rant....
     
  15. ummm... i think stupidmatt just said he didn't like the smell.
     
  16. Wrong Robot

    Wrong Robot Guest

    Apr 8, 2002
    which is more or less being forced upon him because his only other option is to leave the show....:meh:
     
  17. lamarjones

    lamarjones Supporting Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Raleigh, NC
    The groping thing, way not cool.

    The moshing and pot thing, I can understand the way you feel, but.....apparantly it is your first time at a Primus show?

    That is the scene. Just the way it is. Obviously, the comment about moshing in a grocery store is erroneous. I could take a dump in line to get a coffee. Just an action that has some frequency, but at the wrong location.

    But, there were many shows were I could not totally concentrate on the music due to guarding/participating in moshing. What is funny, one of the few shows where I didn't ahve to worry about it was at a Slayer show. I was at the VERY front, so all the moshing took place behind me. But, the occassional kick to the head did catch me off guard.

    In the end, Primus started as funk-thrash. Going to see Les may have been about as religious as going to see Trujillo with ST. Just some of the factors you have to deal with to accomplish such an event.
     
  18. it's a basic fact of life: go to a show, there will be moshing.

    here's a tip, stand at the back of the room, next to the soundboard. noone moshes there, and you get the best sound quality in the room. it's usually closer to the bar anyway. i haven't been inadvertantly moshed in four years of this practice. keeps the women-folk from getting booby-squeezed too.

    various smoke smells? well, that's just something we all have to deal with. think about all the times you've had to sneak a fart at work, in class, etc. and people around you can't get away from the stank.
     
  19. Bryan R. Tyler

    Bryan R. Tyler TalkBass: Usurping My Practice Time Since 2002 Staff Member Administrator Gold Supporting Member

    May 3, 2002
    Connecticut
    I'm actually willing to bet that moshing WILL go away at some point. It wasn't always there, and I don't think it always will be. I've got hope that it will turn around again-that people will actually pay $30 to enjoy a live musical performance instead of paying $30 to push people around and ruin other people's experience of said musical performance. As far as the smells go, yeah, they're going to be there, but that doesn't mean anyone should have to like it or get used to it.

    As far as j_sun23's comment-of all the people drinking beer there, none got down my throat or made my clothes reek. I can't say the same for everyone smoking pot and cigarettes.
     
  20. QTraXQ

    QTraXQ Guest

    Aug 16, 2002
    San Antonio, TX
    I've been to many shows as a minor and as an "Adult" where I have had Beer Spilled on My Clothes..

    Point is, someone will always have something to complain about at a Live Show, especially in a Large Venue or Stadium....I personally never worry about the Pot Smokers but I always seem to worry about some crazy Drunk...