Wanted to ask how many, or if, anyone has checked out The Vines and Glassjaw and what your thoughts are regarding what they produce. Personally - I am almost shocked by Glassjaw's songwriting complexity and intelligence for guys who are so young. I have great hopes for them....plus thier bassist, Dave Allen, is actually "musical." On the downside, I saw a live broadcast of The Vines and couldn't help but think of The Strokes - over-hyped posers with a bassist who practically has to on his fret position markers because he is so inept. The "Vines" recordings make them sound capable. But, playing live, I saw an incredible lack of skill with the Vines' bass player (I wouldn't dignify him with the term, "bassist") when I saw video of him trying to cover up his ineptitude as he stared down his neck position markers.....(like the equally sad "White Stripes" or "The Strokes")??? Just wondering what you all think of either band, Glassjaw or The Vines or both. Maybe I'll learn something, who knows??? Let's just keep it civil and respect each others' opinions, please.