punk bass sucks.

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by FalsehoodBass, Nov 15, 2001.

  1. FalsehoodBass


    Jul 22, 2001
    Denver, CO
    Hey now that i have your attention.. the band that I got kicked out of just released their new demo on mp3.com... and although i'm not in the band anymore.. i'm still really proud of the bass on the recording...

    PLEASE tell me what you think... about the tone, the basslines, etc... i got kicked out of the band because they believe that i play too much... and i'd like to know what you think as musicians, as bassists, and as listeners..

    This was recorded on a 5 string.. :eek: , yes punk on a 5 string god forbid....


    listen to Decietful and Long Existance.. oh and the verse on Life's Evil Twin...

    and critisize away... please.
  2. I liked the bassplaying and sound of the bass. It didn't seem overdone at all. What really annoyed me were the guitars. They just seemed off beat or something.
  3. Overplaying?? The guitarists are overplaying more than you! The bass sounds very good.. but maybe a little too loud (can't believe I just said that).

    Good drummer, by the way.
  4. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Nice punk bass tone, Brian! Big, meaty, round, punchy as all get out. Was that your Carvin? If so, I hope the replacement LB they are making for me will get that sound, (the other one sure couldn't).

    I like the guitar parts. Whomever is taking the lead breaks has a nice bag of tricks.

    The roughest material I heard were the verses of "Long Existence." All the instruments scatter in different directions doing their own thing. I think that is mainly due to the fact that the drummer is just putting out a mess! There's no backbeat to drive it. He sounds like he doesn't know what to do and panics. Consequently everyone else has noting solid to anchor to.

    To be honest, I think that song exemplifies what the others meant about your overplaying. The thing is, there's no solid drum pattern going for you to lock onto and push. Instead, it sounds like you're competing with the guitar for riff space.

    Take it from an old punker - SIMPLIFY

    As always, I respect your guts for putting your music up there for others to criticize. Any artist has to be able to take a lot of criticism and your willingness is admirable.
  5. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member Administrator

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    good bass tone and great playing, but is that supposed to be punk? sounds just like old iron maiden, except for the crappy green-day-wannabe singer. dueling harmony guitars? decent guitar solos? since when was that punk? (don't get me wrong, i'm into iron maiden big time, more than any punk music).

    that's funny, this stuff is pretty good metal, but they want to sell it as punk? my, how times have changed.

    back in the 70's, iron maiden was offered a recording contract, but they wanted them to cut their hair and play more punk. :rolleyes: :D
  6. pmkelly


    Nov 28, 2000
    Kansas City, MO
    I agree with what everyone else says... I dig the bass tone.... Shame your not with them anymore, I really liked the way "Long Existence" started! But if that is how you play, you won't stay out long!

  7. Acacia


    Apr 26, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Unfortunately, JOhn, that passes for punk these days.

    the tone and playing are fine though.
  8. FalsehoodBass


    Jul 22, 2001
    Denver, CO
    hey rick.. for the recording i used a Fender American Deluxe P-5 through a bass pod on the ampeg setting... the carvin wasn't gonna cut it for recording... I would have used a stingray 5 if i could have gotten my hands on one, but i really liked the fender.
    regarding the Long Existance verse... i can see what you're saying and thanks for the input... My idea behind that was that i was doing anything i could to make it NOT sound like a propaghandi song... the first song off their latest cd has the same 2 roots as its verse and a very similiar rhythm

    thanks to everyone for their ideas.... i'm just glad nobody said "you suck" without explaining themselves..

    JT its funny that you should say that, because all the lead guitarist listens to these days is Maiden... the last show i played at w/ them, they covered Aces High.. I guess they want to go metal, and i was still trying to put punk basslines behind it.. maybe that was part of the problem

    about the singer... yea he's the only one in the band with no musical knowledge... he tries though, and has gotten a lot better since he started in the band. I've never heard him called a green day wannabe though, interesting...

    please... any other comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for those offered so far.

  9. john turner

    john turner You don't want to do that. Trust me. Staff Member Administrator

    Mar 14, 2000
    atlanta ga
    i mean that in the "i wanna sing like the dude in the clash" fake english lilt to his voice.

    all in all, though, it was pretty good, imo.
  10. i'm listening to long existence right now, it really kicks ass, except for the singer. it's not his accent, it's his timing and phrasing. the harmonized guitar stuff and solos are VERY 80's. not sure if i like that.
  11. rickbass

    rickbass Supporting Member

    Crap! I'll probably have to do as planned - sell the Carvin for a loss or get some pups. But they are fine recording basses as far as noise and signal strength goes. They are just so "refined" sounding" IMO (and that of many others). My pre-CBS Precis is still a punker's dream wit SS roundwounds. Although, the Ray is probably closer to what audiences are accustomed to nowadays.

    I just had a salesman offering to let me try out the POD yesterday. I didn't have time, (unless it was analog). Do you know/think it can sound analog??? Talkbasser RAM got one when it first came out and returned it for reasons I didn't quite understand, other than it wasn't "stage-friendly."

    I'm glad you could see what I was saying about "Long Existance." It seems my punk instincts are understood by those who really understand the idiom. Your playing was good ---- as a solo. But punk is very "neat", in that the lines are concise and so married to that kick drum. Sustain is not a punk bass virtue, nor is fretboard knowledge. Note choices will get you much further, IME - "which" notes, rather than, "how many."

    Frankly, it sounds more like Cream on a bad night. Everyone was frantically trying to end their riffs at the same time but didn't make it. That is one of the virtues heavy listening to James Brown bassists taught me - start on a dime, stop on a dime, and say something in between.

    You got it - don't quit!
  12. lo-end


    Jun 15, 2001
    holy crap you guys sound great in that recording!!! How do you get that sound out of your bass? That is the exact tone I am searching for! how do you EQ your amp for starters? You use an Ampeg right? I want that sound :D

    And your songs were really good. There was a really cool lick at the beginning of Deceitful Heartache. Thats too bad you got kicked out. But they werent really a punk band anyway, so feel good that you were too punk for them and you got kicked out because they wanted to become more metal! :D You'll find a new band thats even better than them!

    Dont forget to tell me how you get that sound :D
  13. FalsehoodBass


    Jul 22, 2001
    Denver, CO
    Lo-End... first off, Thanks... that's nice of you to say... and yes I use Ampeg, but my SVP-Pro just wasn't doing what i wanted it to for recording, it sounded too thin... it was a mixture of me not knowing the differences between live eq settings and recording settings, and the other band members not having the patience for me to learn... that was the first time I recorded bass that sounded even a little decent, so im not that experienced.

    The sound on the Demo is a bass-pod using the ampeg SVT setting with a little mid boost, on a fender american deluxe precision 5, and then they put that through a studio tube preamp.... i don't think they should have done that... but I don't have much say in it, so that's how it went..

    Rick... i think the Pod Is really cool... it's very versitile... but not the best you can do.... If i had unlimited time and resources, i would have just used my SVP-Pro DI'ed and then mic'ed my 810 and mixed the two... but the guys in the band just weren't willing to put the time in.. The Pod was a great alternative... it was super easy, and sounded really good... but IMO it could have sounded better... i'd rather have one Awesome sound than a plethora of really good sounds... it didn't sound digital like some of those digital effects pedals do though... but i'm not completely familiar with what sounds "analog," and no unless you buy the pedals for it its not stage friendly at all.. but it's quite recording-friendly... which is what i feel its best at, with speaker simulations and such..

    thanks again and keep it coming..
  14. leper


    Jun 21, 2001
    dude, that sucks your not with them any more, cuz its damn good! ...reminds me alot of a slightly less metal version of Darkest Hour

    and you do over play just a little tiny bit...Deceitful Heartache for example...when i first heard it i thought it sounded cool, but before the opening lick was over I was kinda like "oh stop that"

    in any case, if i saw this record at the local shop, id definately pick it up.
  15. FalsehoodBass


    Jul 22, 2001
    Denver, CO
    hey thanks.. you really think 4 bars of bass intro is overplaying? I mean if i did that all the time i'd understand.. but i only have a solo in that one song... which i don't think is too much considering the guitar solos in every single song before it...
    but regardless.. thanks for the opinion.. i appreciate you listening and telling me what you think..
  16. leper


    Jun 21, 2001
    its not that you do it all the time, its just that as soon as i heard it i started cringing...im just really not into bass solos as a rule (there are always exceptions)
  17. i dunno, it might be just my comp, but all of the recordings sound like the recorder was clipping. Your bass is definitately not overplayed, but good, tone-wise and play-wise. Have you ever been to Victoria BC? I remember this one punk band where the bass player had a 5er.... Maybe it was a local band. too bad i forgot how they sounded.
  18. frankencow150

    frankencow150 Guest

    Oct 17, 2001
    hey falsehood guess what punk band also uses a 5 string...THE DEVIATES!there awesmome and their bassist damien is awesome too.i suggest u get "time is the distance"very cool cd indeed.hardcore punk at its greatest by the deviates.now for a review on deceitful heartache...

    awesome bass in the begining!guitars are cool too.the singers voice makes it sound too soft.i think they would be better with a deeper voice such as pennywise.i like the part when they say "shock me" i think you guys could really have a chance to become big in the punk world.if u guys come near maryland tell me,im there.so overall....
    good guitar,awesome drums,awesome bass,OK singer.good melodies and such
  19. Zirc


    May 13, 2001
    Los Angeles
    I like the bass tone a lot, I think it needs to be louder though, I can barely hear it. I can't believe you got kicked out, that sux hard.

    Also, the rhythm guitarist is useless, but maybe that's just me cuz I just hate rhythm guitarists, all they do is follow the bass, and unless they do something else (like sing really well) I think they're just useless.

    If you could, you might wanna try to get back in, it sounds to me like people would eat that album up.

    OMG, just listened to deceitful heartache, I LOVE THAT LINE. All that song needs is the singing to be redone, it sounds like he's kinda talking, ya know? Make him change pitch in the voice a little more in the verse.

    BTW, I think just to help ya out, I'm gonna email those guys and tell them I love the bass in the music, LOL.

    Here's what's in the email I sent the mp3.com account:

    "Hey guys, I just found your music on mp3.com and I love it. I'm in a punk band myself and I think you guys kick ass, especially that bassist OMG. I love the song Deceitful Heartache, that intro is the coolest thing I've ever heard. Keep making more music!!!"

    Keep rockin man
    - Chris
  20. Zirc


    May 13, 2001
    Los Angeles
    By the way, how do you get that tone out of your carvin?