Putting a new driver in my cheap bass cab

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Merijn, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. Merijn

    Merijn

    Aug 21, 2017
    Hi People,

    I have 15 " bass cab by the brand Rockson. The driver is giving up on my and I want to replace it. Technically I can do it easily. My question is: Should I go for a A quality bass driver by for example Celestion, which would cost me about 100+ euros or should I go for a cheaper one by for example Devine? Would it make a lot of difference since the set up and build of the cab are equally important for the sound? I am not a stickler for specific sounds by the way, I play (surf)rock and just need a smooth humming bass sound (like any bass player, right?;-))

    Any suggestion would help..thanks!
     
  2. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    Bass cabs are not like guitar cabs. They are designed to work with specific drivers. So no matter what, any replacement is a crapshoot.
     
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  3. abarson

    abarson

    Nov 6, 2003
    Santa Cruz
    I'm guessing it's a Rockson by Fame 115, which seems to be popular in Ireland? I'm not finding a manufacturer's website. It might be the house brand for MusicStore.de in Germany: give them a shout.
    +49 (0)221 8884-0
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    If the construction is solid and you liked the way it sounded before, you have a couple of options:
    1. Find someone to recone the current speaker. This would probably be the least expensive path.
    2. Measure the internal dimensions of the cabinet and consult with a speaker expert to find a good match for replacement. Having a speaker that matches the cabinet is essential to getting good results.
    Or you could sell it as-is for a 6-pack and then it becomes SEP (Somebody Else's Problem).
     
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  4. Bodeanly

    Bodeanly

    Mar 20, 2015
    Chicago
    My vote is to find a used cab of better quality.
     
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  5. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Supporting Member

    If you want to do this, do some searching on TB for threads about how to select a speaker for the enclosure. Put the wrong speaker in there and it may sound like poop.

    There are free programs which you can use to calculate the qualities of the cab and choose a speaker. Don't just paste something in there.
     
  6. BogeyBass

    BogeyBass Inactive

    Sep 14, 2010
    Looks like a fairly normal bass cabinet
    With about 2.8 to 3.2 cubic feet or 80 to 90 liters of air space.

    As long as it doesn't rattle and works. Driver choice is up to your budget.

    Speaker is what a speaker is.
    Eventually if you plan on expecting a single speaker application to work. I'd imagine your pushing it hard.

    So higher quality and something with high sensitivity will help you keep up.

    The difference between 96 dB driver and a 99 dB driver is huge.

    Difference between a budget stamp steel small magnet speaker which has 3mm of Xmax. ( Maybe what's in there)

    Is huge compared to a 4mm to 5mm driver. Which is cast frame and larger magnet.

    Neo like the Eminence Kappalite 3015 is pushing 6 mm and keeps a decent amount of high-end. Would be a huge step up , depending what's in there. Alot over head if you need to push a single driver hard

    Once you start asking for more power handling. High end drops. Sensitivity drops. So 3015 about the end of the line for high power and good highend.

    I can't tell if it's rear ported or sealed. Don't see any ports.

    Legend CB158 a cast frame that may be equal or better than what's in there.

    Or Kappalite 3015

    Matter of opinion if that fits your budget. Both do fine ported or sealed in the airspace you got.

    If the current driver looks more similar and affordable like a stamp steel Eminence Beta 15
    Then it will sound the same but new.

    And the larger magnet cast frame CB158 would be a definite step up. But more affordable than the neo.
     
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  7. catalin gramada

    catalin gramada

    Dec 25, 2014
    Hey, first rule I assumed make it bass cabs: don.t use bass drivers for bass instruments. Bass drivers are for multiways speakers networks. Use a full range with bass capabilities. If more bass is desired need to use x2, x4, x8 acoustically coupled, meant on the same front, no a low freq one.
     
  8. Rick James

    Rick James Inactive

    Feb 24, 2007
    New Jersey
    You have confused low frequency drivers made for PA with low frequency drivers made for electric bass. The difference between the two is clearly seen in the driver data sheets, and how the driver is marketed by the manufacturer.
     
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  9. catalin gramada

    catalin gramada

    Dec 25, 2014
    ...maybe...with the mention almost all Eminence speakers recommended here for bass aplication are not bass guitar speakers but recomended as Professional series Public Adress.
    "There are 24 unique models available in our American Standard series. Each was designed for versatility in a range of applications. From 6.5-15” models with applications ranging from standard sub-woofers, two-way enclosures, and coaxials, to truncated line array models, monitor woofers, and high performance midranges setting records for output in car audio, no other loudspeaker line provides more choices, power handling, performance, and reliability for the price. As with our Professional series, each product comes with a Seven Year Warranty against manufacturer’s defects*. With over 1,200 USA dealers and distributors worldwide you can easily find them in a store near you."
    Eg. Eminence Beta 15A is declared PA woofer ,by Eminence standards, no matter what You and I or whole TB community thinking about it :)
     
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  10. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Actually, you are wrong here.

    The Beta 15A makes a very good bass guitar speaker for applications where less than say 200 watts RMS is required. In fact, many (but not all) of the speakers in the American Standard series make excellent bass guitar speakers. The difference is that some of us know what we are looking at and are not foolish (or naive) enough to make a statement like you did.
     
  11. catalin gramada

    catalin gramada

    Dec 25, 2014
    I think we have a language barrier here. That is exactly what I wanna say. It is a excellent bass guitar driver, no matter Eminence classified it like a PA woofer. It is ? No worries, who cares ?
    This is what I consider a poor statement :
    "You have confused low frequency drivers made for PA with low frequency drivers made for electric bass. The difference between the two is clearly seen in the driver data sheets, and how the driver is marketed by the manufacturer."
    Eminence Beta 15 was not designed as bass guitar driver but as PA instead by Eminence standard. So is nothing to confuse over here. I use a PA woofer (aka Beta 15) for bass guitar aplication at any hour of day.
     
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  12. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Yes, sorry, it does appear that there is a language issue here.

    There are low frequency PA drivers that make terrible bass guitar drivers in the American Standard series. A driver like the Lab 15 would be awful, and the Kappa Pro 15LF is not a whole lot better.