Question about Avatar cabs

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Hollow Man, Jul 2, 2003.

  1. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    I'm researching 4x10 cabinets to buy, and I've recently discovered Avatar. I've not had the chance to play through one, but they seem to get rave reviews from everyone who's come across them. They're also retailing for $339, which is about half of what Aguilar, Eden and SWR sell their 4x10's for. My question is, how is this possible? I am a huge skeptic, but I can be convinced with enough honest testimonials. Are Avatars really that great, as well as a terrific bargain? How do you more experienced people feel about Avatar cabs when compared to Aguilars, Edens and SWR's, which are the other three brands that I'm looking into? Thanks.
  2. Nick Wagner

    Nick Wagner Guest

    Feb 24, 2003
    WA, USA
    Well, they obviously arent going to be on par with Eden, or Bag End, or any of those higher end cabinets... but for the price, Avatar's are EXTREMELY good. Dave buys the speakers in bulk, from quality manufacturers such as Eminence and Celestion. Thats why its so cheap.

    If youre a bassist on a budget... or you just wanna try a new setup, Id highly recommend Avatar. Im part of the former group, and I own a B115H... and I plan on purchasing a B410 in the future. Im thoroughly happy with my Avatar :)

  3. yes they are that great of a value. the reason there that cheap is because Dave at avatar buy parts in mass volumes, like 1000 speakers at a time. and hes not a greedy bastard. and they sound good because there made from quality parts and name brand speakers. they compare very well to other cabs.
  4. ESP-LTD

    ESP-LTD Guest

    Sep 9, 2001
    Dave runs a small company and controls his costs well (you don't see a lot of big Avatar ads). You can identify all the parts he uses and see that he makes a small profit on each unit he builds.

    Whether they are "great" is up to you and whether the others are better is also a point of debate. Dave tells you exactly what he uses and how he tunes the cabinets; if that's what you like the price can't be beat. The other manufacturers don't provide the same level of information so it's hard to compare them with Avatar.
  5. Schwinn

    Schwinn Guest

    Dec 4, 2002
    Sarasota, FL
    When it comes to cabs, you get what you pay for, but with Avatar, you get a little more...:)

    Good buy for a bassist on a budget, which is a lot of us!
  6. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    HollowMan, I used to have a Hartke 410 and a 115 Mesa cab. After a motorcycle accident I needed to downsize so I bought an Avatar 210 cab to replace the Hartke. It sounded so good I got a 212 to go under it and sold the Mesa. I'm VERY satisfied with the sound. IMO light-years ahead of the old cabs. I'm using a GK 800RB with these and have been playing bass for 30 years.

  7. secretdonkey


    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX
    I own an SWR Goliath III and an Avatar b410, and I've posted plenty that might conceivably interest you, if you care to search.

    In short, the Avatar IS an amazing bargain. It falls short if you're looking for tons of low end or if you want a killer slap tone, but it's got punch and definition that puts many other cabs (of various prices) to shame.

    For the money, you can hardly go wrong.

  8. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    Thanks for the input guys. Keep it coming; you can never have too much information. Even though I won't be finding Avatar cabs in any local music stores to try out, it's reassuring that Dave at Avatar will let me return it if I don't feel that it stacks up to the competition. I'd almost buy from him just because of that guarantee, and the fact that he's obviously not any kind of corporate money-hungry sellout. Secretdonkey, I've played through the Goliath III and liked it; would you mind elaborating on the differences between that cab and the Avatar? I'm pretty familiar with the Goliath III, so I might be able to use that as a reference point to get an idea of how the Avatar sounds.
  9. secretdonkey


    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX

    Goliath has better lows and a horn that gives great "sizzle" on the highs, which makes for a great slap tone. Avatar doesn't have the magic on the highs, nor have quite the lows, but it's bottom is nicely tight and well defined - which is another way of saying punchy as hell. Great for straightahead rock and also capable of a very nice jazzy fingerstyle tone.
  10. NJL


    Apr 12, 2002
    San Antonio
    read the latest bassplayer magazine - they review a 2x10

    my 4x10 is great - i am so happy with it.
  11. TxBass

    TxBass Guest

    Jul 3, 2002
    Frisco, Texas
    I've been using my Avatar 410 as my primary cab for over a year now. It's very well built and is rated so high that volume or needing more is not really an issue. Mine is the old style that is rear-ported...but it's still an awesome value. The only change I've made to it is removing the grill and painting it chrome.
    I don't think you'll be dissapointed, there are way too many folks on here that have them and all the comments are legit. Plus you get the added bonus of dealing with Dave.

    good luck with your purchase!
  12. I have the B115H and I liked it so much, I'm gonna sell my Ampeg cab to buy a B212!

    I may be crazy but oh well! Avatars are grrrrrrrrrreat!
  13. tallboybass

    tallboybass Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Avatars with 10's seem to be a little lacking in the lows but believe me, the 212 Delta ISN'T. I would recommend it as a standalone over a 410.
  14. Metallkasten

    Metallkasten Guest

    Jul 25, 2002
    Charlotte, NC
    But are they as loud as the 410s?
  15. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    2-Mny-drummers, that's exactly what I'm concerned about. Being that I am, after all, a bass player, I'm definitely concerned with making sure that my low end is as present as it can be, which is an argument for the 12's. But I don't restrict myself to the bottom third of the neck either, and I like the definition that using 10's would provide. It seems like 12's sort of bridge the gap between the punch of 10's and the rumble of 15's, but I'd still like to know which of the two seems to offer the sweeter blend of sounds. Granted my ear is the ultimate judge, but since I've never heard an Avatar cab, I'll have to settle for whatever information you fine people can provide me with. :D
  16. Trevorus


    Oct 18, 2002
    Urbana, IL
    i would really reccomend a rig of 210's and a single 15. the tens give that punch that you seek, and the fifteen gives the low end shake that feels so awesome. The 210s will balance well with a a single 15.